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Paul Miller

In this podcast, Paul E. Miller, author of A Praying Life, invites you into a conversation about Jesus and how he lived as a person. Ministry and conversation partners, Liz Voboril and Jon H., join Paul in exploring the details of Jesus’ earthly life. In attending closely to the cadences of the one person who lived a perfect life, we gain a clearer vision of what it means to be human. Learn more about Paul Miller and his ministry at seejesus.net.

Seeing Jesus with Paul Miller

This is the third episode in a series called Hope and Direction in a Time of Crisis. These episodes will be excerpted from free webinars hosted by Paul Miller and conversation partners Jon Hori, Liz Voboril and Keith Grant. To view upcoming webinars, visit seejesus.net/events. 
 
“Sometimes it's hard for us to get into touch with what the Apostle Paul was like as a person because he's either so exalted that he's almost Jesus number 2, or he just kind of floats. I want to drill down a little bit in into this particular way that Paul has of looking at life."
 "Paul is not an optimist, he's a realist." 

 "Paul sees life exactly as it is. When Paul was on that Damascus Road, he was stunned by the presence of the resurrected Jesus—the blazing light of the risen Savior—and that blazing light is still with him in his prison cell.

[HOPE] 3. Hunting for Resurrection

This is the second episode in a new series called Hope and Direction in a Time of Crisis. These episodes will be excerpted from free webinars hosted by Paul Miller and conversation partners Jon Hori and Liz Voboril. To view upcoming webinars, visit seejesus.net/events. 
 
“One of the tendencies that we have as believers is to edit our prayers to get them all balanced and it can freeze people. There's a real beauty in beginning with what's on your heart. It doesn't mean that doesn't have to be reshaped and grown, but you've got begin with what's on your heart."
 “The gospel gives us permission to be ourselves. That doesn't mean that ourselves don't need some work, we all know that, but it lets us sort of relax." 

 "I've likened this tendency to a kind of a perfectionism with prayer to creating an avatar. You create a spiritual being that you aren't and try to get that person to pray right. When you're no longer yourself, as messy as you may be, then you can't connect with God because it's not the real you connecting with the real God."

[HOPE] 2. Praying Under Quarantine

This is the first episode in a new series called Hope and Direction in a Time of Crisis. These episodes will be excerpted from free webinars hosted by Paul Miller and conversation partners Jon Hori and Liz Voboril. To view upcoming webinars, visit seejesus.net/events. 
 
“We’re separated from this text by 2,000 years, but you can feel Paul’s emotions. They are vivid. Emotions are a function of what it is to be human. It’s kind of a human flourishing you’re looking at. Human flourishing is not escaping or being pulled somehow above the emotions of life. Paul is completely embedded in love in the hearts of the Thessalonians. They are on his heart, so therefore he feels anxiety. It normalizes good anxiety."
 “Anxiety is like anger. It is potentially sinful. But it’s not inherently sinful. That’s the simplest way to say it." 

 "We tend to put anxiety and human flourishing in two different buckets, as if they are enemies of one another. What dying and rising with Jesus does it mixes the buckets. It puts them together. In fact, it’s anxiety, a life of stuff coming at you, that is the way you get to know Jesus. The things that are making me anxious are my door to knowing Jesus. And that’s true human flourishing: being in Jesus."

[HOPE] 1. Anxious Yet Flourishing

In this final episode in our Lenten series, we turn our attention to the resurrection.
 
“The way Jesus announces [his resurrection] is pure Jesus. We discover that Jesus has been just standing there quietly with Mary, saying nothing. I love that. It’s so like him to just be present with Mary. Generally speaking the more powerful our voice is, the more market share we have in a conversation, the more we use that. No one has more market share than Jesus. No one has more powerful voice, and yet he's the quietest person in the room."
 “Jesus's sign is his spent-ness." 

 "Jesus's sign is his spent-ness. He loves to the very the end, the Telos. He's completely drained of everything at the end of his life. His scars, his wounds, reveal the completeness of his love. And for us, it's our scars that bind us to Christ and that reveal Christ in us to others. Christianity is not some sort of scar management or plastic surgery. That would be taking the American dream and draping it over true Christianity and missing the real thing."

[JESUS' PASSION] 4. The True Gardener and His Sign

Jesus doesn’t say he’s troubled in spirit. John, who is just to his right, picks it up. If you are aware of someone—you love them, or you are just an astute observer of people—you can tell when they are anxious. I think this is one of three references that John has to Jesus' anxiety. And they are all surrounding the passion. What I love about it is that it normalizes anxiety. So much of our modern world either tries to escape anxiety or feels guilty about it. But Jesus was anxious."
 “If you are a lover of people, and I mean that in the broadest sense of the biblical love, it’s going to lead you into tension." 

 "What I love about this whole scene [when Judas and the Jewish leaders arrive at Gethsemane], is that when you put it all together, Jesus is like Bruce Lee or Jason Bourne. Everything’s a weapon. He’s rebuking, loving, protecting, challenging, healing, commanding. He is the prince of peace. So this person that we saw all agitated is in complete command of himself. Even now he’s probably feeling anxiety, but he’s not trapped by his emotions. He is a vibrant lover of the people around him. And that’s what makes the passion so beautiful. The camera has moved to slow motion on Jesus life we can see incident after incident where Jesus is loving, rebuking, caring, comforting, lamenting. He’s showing us what it is to be a person."

[JESUS' PASSION] 3. Love Under Pressure

“God in his wisdom is kind of bringing a poverty on the entire world. It’s striking, especially in America. We have a Declaration of Independence so it’s written in to our seminal documents that we should not be constricted by anybody. And yet God is constricting us."
 “I'm not saying the virus is a beautiful thing, but all suffering for those of us who are in Christ can be drawn up into the dying of Jesus." 

 "The only way he can make us weak is to overload all our well-oiled systems. And that’s what’s happening in all of our lives to different extents. And we are surrounded by people who are also overloaded. People are losing their work, coming under financial stress. So it’s not only something that teaches us to love, it opens up doors, opportunities to love."

[SPECIAL] How We're Thinking and Praying about COVID-19

In this episode, we look at how Jesus' sadness as he nears the cross is another window into his personhood.
 
“It really is true that Jesus is present. He's present with not only their rejection of him but with himself. He's comfortable being sad. And I don't think as Christians we're that comfortable or we hear much teaching on the negative emotions."
 “It's just a remarkable window into Jesus heart that he's looking outside of himself at a time like this." 

 "One of the neat things about Jesus' sadness is that he doesn't get self-entangled. That is, if there's a problem in Christianity with stoicism, in the broader culture there's increasingly this problem of getting self-entangled in your grief. If emotions can be a bit suppressed within Christianity, within the broader culture they have almost become sacred."

[JESUS' PASSION] 2. Sadness on the Road to the Cross

This episode begins a new series on Jesus' Passion by looking at how the disciples want to go higher, but Jesus is focused on going lower.
 
“James and John get their mother to try to get them the number 1 and 2 places in the Kingdom. And the other disciples don’t say ‘You know I don’t think that is Jesus way.’ They are just mad that James and John beat them to it! They are all fighting for the top. But Jesus is remarkably gentle through the whole thing. The disciples are functionally Epicureans—hunting for the shortcut across the 'J' of the J-Curve. That’s our natural desire."
 “The disciples want suffering-free glory and Jesus says it doesn’t exist." 
"One of my favorite phrases from Jesus in Luke 15 is where Jesus says take the lower place. I just love that. There is an act of the will where you take the lower place. You are deciding that you are going to go lower. I just think the opportunities that we have to do that at the big and the small level are enormous. It’s as simple as a moment in conversation at the family table, letting someone else interrupt me so my idea takes the lower place..."

[JESUS' PASSION] 1. Taking the Lower Place

This episode wraps up our series on J-Curve: Union with Christ by looking at how the J-Curve helps in a mini-crisis.
 
“The Apostle Paul introduces the J-Curve as a kind of a master story 'let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus' (Philippians 2:5). And then he describes the downward journey of Jesus all the way to death on a cross."
 “Every community has a narrative." 
"The J-Curve normalizes the bumps. There’s a kind of perfectionism now in our culture that sort of demands that life should be bump free. Paul the Apostle is a perfectionist, but his perfectionism is in his ability to reenact the dying and rising of Christ. It's the perfection of love. It's the perfection of faith. And it's not in my situation. So it allows me to have this calm center in all kinds of circumstances."

[J-CURVE: Union with Christ] 8. The Shape of Love

This episode continues our series on the J-Curve, looking at what it means to be "in Christ." 
 
“When we think of idolatry we think about how it affects our relationship vertically with God and that is obvious and good but we’re not necessarily attentive to how it affects the horizontal relationship with those around us."
 “Ministry is particularly subtle idol because it’s got Jesus written all over it." 
"Paul sits on the word 'know' in Philippians 3. Because in the J-Curve you get to know Jesus in ways you would never have known him through teaching or study. The good shepherd gets very close to you in the dying because it’s his story. It’s his spirit and his presence. So Jesus becomes your friend in the dying."

[J-CURVE: Union with Christ] 7. In-Ministry vs In-Christ

Paul, Jon, Adam, and Liz continue their conversation about discipleship, looking at the role of beauty.
 
"Our first tagline at seeJesus was 'helping people see the beauty of Jesus,' and people really struggled to understand what we did. I thought that was because the beauty of Jesus is hard for people grasp if they don’t understand the person of Jesus. But I've come to realize, that the church is actually weak on beauty itself…"
 "Seeing beauty requires attentiveness. But when you pursue it directly, you end up with a kind of a fake beauty or a hunt for emotional experiences." 
"They say if you can get a kid excited about reading, then you’ve opened up a world to them for life. I’ve seen a similar dynamic in discipleship, where if you get someone excited about Jesus and the beauty of Jesus, then discipleship is downhill, not uphill. Beauty puts energy into obedience."

[DISCIPLESHIP] 12. The Role of Beauty in Discipleship, Part 1

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