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The China-Global South Project

The China-Global South Podcast

As China's economic influence expands, so does its ambition to shape the very system that once constrained it.
 
In this episode of The China-Global South Podcast, Eric speaks with Greg Chin and Kevin Gallagher from Boston University's Global Development Policy Center about their new book that details China's transformation from a "rules taker" within the Bretton Woods system to a "rules maker" who's now reshaping the international development finance architecture.
 
Greg and Kevin explore the country's growing role in the IMF and World Bank, its creation of new institutions like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) and the New Development Bank (NDB), and what this means for developing nations navigating between Western and Chinese-led finance.
 
CHAPTERS:
 
• Introduction – A brief calm in U.S.–China tensions
 • Rule Taker → Rule Maker – China's rise inside global finance
 • Building Alternatives – Creating the AIIB and NDB
 • Two-Way Countervailing Power – Leveraging inside–outside influence
 • Green Finance and "Next Practices" – Raising the bar on development norms
 • Debt and Diplomacy – How China handles restructuring
 • Institutional Layering – Shaping without dismantling
 • Washington's Dilemma – Anxiety over losing control
 • The Global South's New Agency – More options, more leverage
 • A New Multilateral Moment – Uncertain future for global governance
 
SHOW NOTES:
 
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Read the book (free download) 
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China's Evolution from "Rules Taker" to "Rules Maker" in Development Finance

China sits at the heart of Indonesia's energy paradox — driving the country's ambitious shift toward renewables while remaining deeply entrenched in its coal economy. Chinese financing and technology are accelerating Indonesia's clean energy buildout, from nickel refining to electric vehicles and solar manufacturing.
 
Yet the same Chinese firms are also behind large swathes of Indonesia's coal infrastructure, including off-grid plants that power the smelters fueling its industrial boom.
 
Kevin Zongzhe Li, an affiliated researcher at the Asia Society Policy Institute's Center for China Analysis, explored this paradox in a recent report that also details how Jakarta is carefully positioning itself among the major powers to facilitate the transition to more sustainable energy supplies.
 
SHOW NOTES:
 
 The Asia Society Policy Institute: • 
 Indonesia's Energy Transition: Exercising Strategic Agency in Partnership with China • by Kevin Zongzhe Li
 
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China Drives Indonesia's Push for Clean Energy and More Coal

Chinese exports are booming—but ties with the U.S. are collapsing. Across Asia, from Beijing to Manila, Washington's shifting strategy under Trump is reshaping alliances and testing security guarantees that have underpinned the region for decades.
 
Eric speaks with James Crabtree, a distinguished visiting fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and the Asia Society, about how Asia's leaders are adapting to a world in flux:
 
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China's mix of confidence and anxiety amid its own economic slowdown
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How Trump's erratic policy is breaking apart the anti-China coalition
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Growing doubts in Tokyo, Seoul, and Manila about U.S. security guarantees
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Taiwan's precarious position and fears of being left alone
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Vietnam's balancing act between U.S. tariffs and China's dominance
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Why India is quietly building backup plans with Europe
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Trump, China and the New Power Politics in Asia

For centuries, the United States was the undisputed hegemonic power across the Western Hemisphere; however, that is no longer the case today. China is now the largest trading partner for the majority of countries in Latin America and is quickly filling the void left by a decades-long U.S. retrenchment.
 
In his new book, "Economic Displacement: China and the End of U.S. Primacy in Latin America," Francisco Urdinez, an assistant professor at the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, argues that U.S. neglect of the region has created a critical opening for China to expand both its economic and political influence in the Americas.
 
 Francisco joins Eric from Santiago to discuss the future of the U.S.-China rivalry in Latin America.
 
 SHOW NOTES:
 
 Purchase a copy of "Economic Displacement: China and the End of U.S. Primacy in Latin America" and receive a 20% discount through October 31, 2026, by entering the code ECDT25 at checkout: www.cambridge.org/9781009672269 
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How China is Displacing U.S. Economic Power in Latin America

In the weeks since Chinese President Xi Jinping announced the new Global Governance Initiative (GGI) during a speech at the SCO summit in Tianjin, Beijing's propaganda apparatus has been working overtime to build support for the new plan, particularly in Africa, Latin America, and other developing regions.
 
The GGI is the latest in a series of Chinese global initiatives that also focus on development, human rights, and security, which it's using to stake a larger claim for international leadership at a time when the U.S.-led system is collapsing.
 
Brian Wong, an assistant professor at Hong Kong University and a leading scholar on Chinese global governance, joins Eric to discuss what Beijing is hoping to accomplish with the GGI and its other governance initiatives.
 
SHOW NOTES:
 
 Routledge: • 
 Moral Debt: Defending a New Account of Reparative Justice • by Brian Wong
 Hong Kong University Press • : 
Towards a Future for BRICS+ • edited by Heiwai Tang and Brian Wong 
 
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China's Play for Global Governance Leadership

It wasn't that long ago when the leaders from India and China couldn't even look at each other when they were in the same room. Today, the situation is very different. Ties between the two Asian powers have improved dramatically from a few years ago, when a violent conflict along their disputed border sent relations into a deep freeze.
 
But even though China and India have resolved a number of their differences in recent years, serious problems persist, none more so than their disputed border that remains one of the most heavily armed frontiers in the world.
 
Professor Jabin Jacob, associate professor at the Shiv Nadar Institute of Eminence and one of India's foremost China scholars, joins Eric to discuss why resolving the border dispute, in particular, is going to be very difficult.
 
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China-India Relations Remain Fragile Despite Warming Ties

China's economic ties with Brazil are booming, and 2024 saw a stunning 113% jump in Chinese investment, totaling $4.2 billion across 39 projects, the highest number ever, according to a new report by the Brazil-China Business Council.
 
From renewable energy and oil to mining and automotive manufacturing, Chinese companies are pouring capital into Brazil's economy. This investment boom, though, comes at a sensitive time as China is moving aggressively to reduce its reliance on the U.S., particularly in the food sector.
 
Tulio Cariello, the Council's director of content and research, joins Eric to explain what's driving the surge of Chinese FDI in Brazil and whether this upswing is expected to continue.
 
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Why Chinese Companies Are Pouring Money Into Brazil

The reset between India and China appears to be holding. Nearly two weeks after President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Narendra Modi met on the sidelines of the SCO summit in Tianjin, five years of frigid ties between the two Asian powers are steadily thawing. 
 
However, it will take more than summits and statements to rebuild trust, particularly among Indian policymakers who remain wary of China's close ties with Pakistan and Beijing's broader ambitions across South Asia.
 
Constantino Xavier, a senior fellow at the Centre for Social and Economic Progress in New Delhi and co-author of an in-depth report on Chinese engagement in South Asia, joins Eric to discuss how Modi aims to balance ties with China, the U.S. and Russia while preserving India's legendary non-alignment strategy.
 
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India-China Reset? Modi and Xi Test a Fragile Rapprochement

Two sharply contrasting foreign policy visions emerged this week from China and the United States. In Beijing, President Xi Jinping outlined an agenda in talks with fellow BRICS leaders that directly challenged Donald Trump's "America First" doctrine, urging instead for stronger multilateral cooperation.
 
Meanwhile in Washington, reports surfaced of a potential overhaul in U.S. security strategy, shifting the Pentagon's focus away from countering China abroad toward reinforcing defenses at home and across the Western Hemisphere.
 
No other region around the world has as much at stake in this duel as Southeast Asia, effectively the frontline in the simmering great power rivalry. Dylan Loh, an associate professor at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore and a leading expert on Chinese foreign policy, joins Eric to discuss how Southeast Asian policymakers are responding to the mounting pressure coming from both Washington and Beijing.
 
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The Trump, Xi Foreign Policy Duel in Southeast Asia

While most of the world's attention at this week's Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in Tianjin was on Xi Jinping's meetings with leaders from the big powers, namely India and Russia, the Chinese President also spent considerable time with heads of state from many of the world's smallest countries, like the Maldives and Nepal, among others.
 
This is part of China's longstanding small-state diplomacy strategy, where Beijing cultivates relationships with these countries in the Global South through high-level gatherings and the same diplomatic pomp that leaders from more powerful countries receive when they visit the Chinese capital.
 
Alonso Illueca, CGSP's non-resident fellow for Latin America, joins Eric to discuss his latest article on how China's small-state outreach is playing out on the tiny Caribbean island of Dominica (population 75,000) and why it's so effective.
 
SHOW NOTES:
 
 The China-Global South Project: • S
mall State, Big Gains: Why Dominica Matters in China's Global Strategy • by Alonso Illueca
 The China-Global South Project: • I
n Bolivia, China's Lithium Extraction Plans Went to the Polls and Lost Badly • by Alonso Illueca
 
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China's Small State Diplomacy Strategy in Latin America

Every week, The China-Global South Podcast will explore timely issues surrounding China's engagement in Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, Africa, and other developing regions. Hosted by China-Global South Editor in Chief Eric Olander in Vietnam and Managing Editor Cobus van Staden in South Africa, this new program will highlight insights and ideas from leading experts in the Global South.
 
To help kick off the show, Eric & Cobus are joined by Kaiser Kuo, host of the venerable Sinica Podcast, to discuss what motivated the team to launch this new program and what they're hoping it will achieve.
 
THIS WEEK'S RECOMMENDATIONS:
 
ERIC:
 
 Gyude Moore • , Senior Policy Fellow at the Center for Global Development: @gyude_moore
 Hannah Ryder • , CEO of Development Reimagined: @hmryder
 Ovigue Eguegu • , Policy Analyst at Development Reimagined: @ovigweeguegu
 Christian-Geraud Neema • , Francophone Editor at the China-Global South Project: @christiangeraud
 
COBUS:
 
 Amazon • : The Specter of Global China: Politics, Labor, and Foreign Investment in Africa by Ching Kwan Lee: 
https://amzn.to/3RMTKu8 

 
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