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Ellen MacArthur Foundation

The Ellen MacArthur Foundation welcomes you to The Circular Economy Show, a podcast about a new way to design, make, and use things, and how we can build an economy that's fit for the 21st century.

The Circular Economy Show Podcast

It's been a truly pivotal year for the Foundation as we've moved from streamlining our missions to charging headfirst into the exciting era of implementation. 

However, before we fully dive into 2026, we’re hitting pause for a moment of reflection. Join Fin, Lou, and Pippa who have hand-picked their favourite, most insightful, and memorable moments from the conversations they’ve had this year. 

This episode may show condensed snippets, but it is packed with big ideas, practical breakthroughs, and the highlights that defined circularity in 2025. 

Thanks for listening to the Circular Economy Show from the Ellen MacArthur Foundation. Help us grow our audience in 2026 by sharing your favourite episode with your friends and colleagues.

Explore the episodes discussed in order of appearance:

Ep 201: Why do circular business models fail to scale? Going it alone

Ep 188: “It’s a no-brainer”: Arc’teryx on bringing repairs in-store

Ep 197: Stop minding your own business

Ep 179: How are small start-ups, SMEs, and large corporations working together to change the food system?

Ep 185: How can marketers turn ideas into impactful action?

Ep 174: Material security in a circular economy | Energy and competitiveness

2025 in review: unlocking the circular economy opportunity

It’s easy to look at the news headlines and feel like everything is going backwards, but in this episode we ask you to look a little deeper and see the story beneath the headlines. Progress is possible and happening everywhere from plastics to fashion to the automotive sector, and even at COP.

Listen in to hear:

 • Whether COP still matters, and if so, for what?
 • Why Honda’s circularity center in Ohio is an important step
 • What we learned from Patagonia’s first ever environmental and social progress report
 • Why many of the world’s biggest brands are backing a new agenda for plastics

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Explore the articles Seb mentioned in this episode:

1) Circular economy thematic day at COP30 (Circular Online)

https://www.circularonline.co.uk/news/cop30-marks-first-ever-circular-economy-day-as-global-climate-talks-intensify/

2) Honda opening its circularity center (Trellis)

https://trellis.net/article/honda-recycling-ohio-plant-opens-circularity/

3) Analysis of Patagonia’s environmental and social report (Trellis)

https://trellis.net/article/patagonias-comprehensive-plan-counter-rising-emissions/

4) Reuters on businesses supporting the Foundation’s 2030 Plastics Agenda for Business

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/global-companies-push-regulation-plastics-reduction-report-shows-2025-11-04/

Circular Snapshots | COP30 and progress in the circular economy

Recorded live at Climate Week New York, in this episode we ask ‘why should retailers embrace the circular economy?’

The global food system is responsible for a third of greenhouse gas emissions, and is vulnerable to supply chain shocks. 

Our guests discuss why circularity must be easier, more convenient, and more irresistible than the linear option, and why retailers and brands need to invest in shared solutions to scale a circular economy for food.

Joining the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s Executive Lead for Retail, Reniera O’Donnell, are:

 • Nate Hurst, Chief Sustainability Officer at Visa
 • Burgess Davis, Senior Vice President and Chief Sustainability Officer for North America at PepsiCo
 • Scot Case, Vice President of Sustainability for the National Retail Federation

Learn more about retail and the circular economy

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Why should retailers embrace the circular economy? | Conversations from Climate Week New York

Recorded live during Climate Week NYC, this episode explores how technology can accelerate the transition to a circular economy, not as a bolt-on fix, but as a built-in business strategy. Host Danielle Holly, Executive Lead for North America at the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, is joined by Jen Huffstetler (Chief Sustainability Officer, HP), Jim Sullivan (Head of Product Management, SAP), and Vrushali Gaud (Global Director of Strategy and Operations for Net Zero, Water, and Circularity, Google).

Tune in to hear:

 • Why AI and digital growth make circular strategies essential to meet rising material and energy demands
 • How companies such as HP and Google are embedding circular design and open data into products and services
 • What it takes to move from ‘bolt-on’ fixes to ‘bolt-in’ circular systems across business and finance
 • The biggest blockers and how collaboration can help solve them
 • Why pragmatism and focused collective action are key to turning ambition into measurable impact

Listen back to the series on why circular business models fail to scale

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What's tech got to do with it? | Conversations from Climate Week New York

This is the fourth and final part of our mini series on the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s new report: How not to fail: Avoiding 10 common pitfalls when scaling circular business models.

In this episode, the report’s lead researchers, Maddy Oliver and Ella Hedley, explain how success at scale demands more than a strong model – what really matters is who is empowered to deliver it and how well are they aligned.

If you enjoyed this series, then please share with your colleagues, or leave us a review or comment on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube.

Why do circular business models fail to scale? Going it alone

Circular business models can drive new revenue streams, build brand strength, customer loyalty, and market traction, while also unlocking value through resource efficiency, cost savings, and reduced risk to supply chain volatility. But there is often too much focus on short-term gains in revenue or sustainability and waste reduction metrics, while overlooking their full business value. 

In the third part of our mini series on the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s new report: How not to fail: Avoiding 10 common pitfalls when scaling circular business models, we hear how, when circular business models are pitched primarily around sustainability, internal commitment is lower.

Pippa is joined by the report’s lead researchers, Maddy Oliver and Ella Hedley, to explore why circular business models rarely scale without a strong, broad financial case. 

They also talk about the need for more commercial collaboration. Find out more by listening to episode 196, HolyGrail: see it, sort it, scale it, to learn how one business-led partnership came together to align on the technology and achieve scale.

If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or a comment on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Your support helps us to spread the word about the circular economy.

Why do circular business models fail to scale? Relying on a narrow business case

Circular business models often fail when they’re designed without factoring how the business works, what the customers want, and what the product requires. 

These need to be considered together, not in isolation, to ensure that delivery, adoption, and revenue generation are possible at scale.

Thinking about fit might feel obvious, but in this episode, we hear how many businesses often overlook these elements.

In the second part of our mini series exploring the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s new report: How not to fail: Avoiding 10 common pitfalls when scaling circular business models, Pippa is joined by Maddy Oliver and Ella Hedley, who led the research on the paper.

You’ll hear about three common pitfalls around strategic misalignment, and how to avoid them.

If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or a comment on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Your support helps us to spread the word about the circular economy.

Why do circular business models fail to scale? Strategic misalignment

What makes circular business models fail to scale? In this new four-part series, we’ll be exploring the common mistakes businesses make on their journey towards circularity.

Based on the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s new report: How not to fail: Avoiding 10 common pitfalls when scaling circular business models, Pippa is joined by Maddy Oliver and Ella Hedley, who led the research on the paper.

You’ll hear about the experiences of pioneering companies, and learn about the practical steps that businesses can use to avoid common pitfalls and enable circular business models to reach transformative scale.

In this episode, we explore:

 • What opportunities circular businesses can offer
 • How the report came about, and why it focuses on failure
 • Why lacking a plan of scale from the outset is the first pitfall and some solutions to consider
 • What happens when circular business models don’t align with the existing strategy of the business, and how to avoid this

Explore the report

If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or a comment on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Your support helps us to spread the word about the circular economy.

Why do circular business models fail to scale? Don’t think too small

Have the current political and economic shocks actually created enormous opportunities for change?

Can businesses currently working on transforming themselves, work together on driving an entire market transformation?

And what role can the rest of us play in resetting the system and helping to shape that change?

In this episode, Jonquil Hackenberg, CEO of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, and Lindsay Hooper from the Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership discuss how catalysing market interventions and designing out competitive disadvantages can work to reshape our system.

We know that complete market transformation is possible, we have already seen renewable energy progress, but no single business or group can do this alone. 

In this episode hear how:

 • Market transformation differs from the incremental changes we’ve seen so far

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 • A system change will require building pre-competitive coalitions who all have a vested interest in change and supporting market making value chains

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 • By harnessing the power of both business and the private sector, we can work together for real transformation

Learn more about commercial collaboration

Read CISL’s report Competing in the Age of Disruption

Stop minding your own business

Scaling the circular economy requires more companies to launch circular products and services, but many competitors transitioning towards the circular economy face similar barriers to scale.

One way to address this is commercial collaboration, where businesses work together on issues that are not tied to their competitive advantage.

In this episode, we’ll hear from Sarah Dodge and Mark Buckley from the Ellen MacArthur Foundation about how this can help to scale a circular economy.

We’ll also explore how one initiative has helped address a bottleneck in post-consumer recycling. 

Hear how companies from the Ellen MacArthur Foundation's Plastics Mission worked together to develop a unified vision and enable high-quality plastic waste sorting at scale with HolyGrail 1.0. This evolved into HolyGrail 2.0, where joint investment in R&D was crucial in helping it get from concept to market in just a few years.

To discuss the project, Sander Defruyt, Lead of Strategy & Thought Leadership for the Plastics Mission, is joined by Gian De Belder, Technical Director of Packaging and Sustainability at Procter & Gamble, and Margherita Trombetti, Project Manager at the European Brands Association (AIM).

Watch or listen to the full episode to learn how:

 • Cross-value chain collaboration was essential to align on the technology and achieve scale
 • Growing interest allowed participation to grow from 31 companies in HolyGrail 1.0 to 176 in 2.0 
 • The European Brands Association (AIM) facilitated the governance, confidentiality, and communications of 2.0

Learn more about this business-led partnership, which was funded through member contributions and philanthropic funding from the Alliance to End Plastic Waste and the City of Copenhagen.

Explore the full commercial collaboration collection

If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or a comment on Spotify or YouTube. Your support helps us to spread the word about the circular economy.

HolyGrail: see it, sort it, scale it

Big businesses hold the key to promoting action in building a regenerative future. When will we see this action though? 

In this episode, Seb Egerton-Read takes us back to COP26 where he was in conversation with two key players in the business world. Our guests today are Karrie Denniston, Senior Director of Sustainability at Walmart.org, and Jim Andrew, Chief Sustainability Officer at PepsiCo.

Karrie tells us why she chose to pursue a career with Walmart.org in order to achieve that opportunity for impact. We will also tackle that question you’re probably asking now; how can a company thriving in the linear economy, possibly become regenerative? 

Jim will run us through how PepsiCo is much more than a one-product brand. We’ll also hear about the Pepsi Positive and the NFL Trash Talk campaigns that PepsiCo is working on.

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