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Dark Poutine / Curiouscast

True crime, legends, folklore, dark history and other creepy topics from the perspective of real live Canadians.

Dark Poutine - True Crime and Dark History

Episode 394: On an August night in 1991, the quiet fields near Carp, Ontario, were interrupted by strange lights arcing across the sky—a sight so odd it left locals searching for answers. Soon, anonymous packages began to arrive, sent to UFO researchers all over Canada and the United States, packed with photos, documents, and a tape showing what appeared to be a UFO blazing above the marsh. The sender called himself “Guardian” and claimed this was not the first time such events occurred near Carp. Suddenly, what started as small-town talk exploded into one of Canada’s most perplexing UFO stories, a bizarre mystery that remains debated to this day.

Sources:

The Carp-Guardian Case - The Most Controversial UFO Case in Canadian HistoryGuardian UFO TapeGuardian UFO | Unsolved Mysteries Wiki - FandomThe Mysterious Canadian UFO Sighting - Unsolved Mysteries“Guardian”: The 30th Anniversary Of A Bizarre UFO Incident near Carp, OntarioA mysterious VHS tape, a military bunker, and UFO sightings near Ottawa | UFO TownWe investigated an alleged UFO sighting near Ottawa | CBC DocumentariesSearching for Guardian: Filmmaker re-examines mystery of Carp UFO sightingLiving in Carp Ottawa CanadaVillage of CarpI was a teenage UFO investigator who explored an infamous alien sighting near Ottawa | CBC Documentariesabduction – lindaseccaspinaU.S. Lawmaker: Underwater UFO Bases Hide AliensAliens may have underwater bases on Earth: Burchett | NewsNation PrimeHouse committee holds UFO hearing | full videoWhy Do UFO Sightings Keep Happening Near Nuclear Sites?The Diefenbunker and the Legends of Carp
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Guardian UFO: The Carp, Ontario Mystery

Episode 393: On a cold February day in 2022, tragedy struck the small communities of Creston and Kimberley, British Columbia. Julia Howe, a familiar face to her neighbours, was found lifeless in the bathroom of her partner's home. Just hours later and nearly a hundred kilometres away, David Creamer, a father and trusted friend, was discovered dead in his own house. Both initially believed accidental or natural, no one suspected that these two deaths would soon be linked.

The true story was finally revealed, albeit in a peculiar manner. The connection between the deaths was finally revealed when Mitchell Earl McIntyre, a man known to both victims, confessed to hospital staff that he was responsible for both deaths. The problem was that, at first, no one believed him. It was the killer’s insistence and admissions of guilt that finally cracked the case.

Sources:

2024 BCSC 774 (CanLII) | R. v McIntyre | CanLII2024 BCSC 2026 (CanLII) | R. v McIntyre | CanLIIObituary information for Julia Ann HoweOnline Tribute for David Creamer'You need to detain me' | Kamloops NewsB.C. man who confessed to 2 killings not arrested until a month laterMcInytre murder trial underway | My East Kootenay NowBC man allegedly confessed to two killings originally ruled as accidentsB.C. man charged with woman’s death reportedly also admitted killing someone elseBC homicide suspect confessed to 2 killings weeks before arrest, court documents showSecond-degree murder trial moved | Kamloops NewsAccidental Deaths That Were Really Homicides | Tyee
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Really, I Did It: The Murders of Julia Howe & David Creamer

Episode 392: On the morning of June 28, 2022, as staff and customers began their day at the Bank of Montreal in Saanich, British Columbia, twin brothers Matthew and Isaac Auchterlonie entered the branch clad in body armour and carrying semi-automatic rifles. Within moments, they herded twenty-two people into the bank’s vault and set the stage for one of the most violent confrontations in recent Canadian history. More than a hundred shots were fired in the chaos that followed, leaving six police officers injured and both brothers dead, with the community left reeling and seeking answers.

Sources:

2022 Saanich shootoutVIIMCU RELEASES CONCLUDING REPORT ON JUNE 28TH SHOOTING – Saanich Police DepartmentIIOBC Report on the ShootoutSaanich bank shooting: Suspects identified, motive unclear | CityNews VancouverProminent Vancouver Island family collateral victims of Victoria bank robberyBrothers in botched B.C. bank robbery had become angry and radical, obsessed with guns and ‘government tyranny’Portal:Current events/2022 June 28Western Canada: Portrait emerges of brothers killed in Saanich bank robberyBrothers, motivated by 'anti-authority beliefs,' staged Saanich bank robbery in effort to kill police: RCMP | CBC NewsProminent Vancouver Island family collateral victims of Victoria bank robberyBrothers killed in Canada bank shootout aimed to kill as many police as possiblehttps://www.mycowichanvalleynow.com/71546/news/ways-to-help-when-social-media-friends-post-disturbing-images/Facing 'unbridled violence' from B.C. bank robbers, police justified in shooting to kill, report says | CBC NewsPolice to release findings on Saanich bank shootout where 2 Cowichan men diedOne of two suspects killed in bank robbery was rejected from Canadian Armed ForcesMotive for Saanich bank shooting by Duncan brothers may never be known: criminologistUPDATE: Saanich bank shootout suspects confirmed as 22-year-old twins from Duncanhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/saanich-shootout-what-we-learned-1.6721683From the VictoriaBC community on Reddit: Twin brothers from Duncan revealed as suspects in Saanich bank robbery
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Mayhem in Saanich: The 2022 Bank Shootout

Episode 391: At dawn on December 26, 2004, a massive undersea earthquake off Sumatra’s west coast — one of the strongest ever recorded — triggered a devastating tsunami across the Indian Ocean. Waves up to 30 metres high struck Aceh Province within minutes, then swept across Thailand, Sri Lanka, India, the Maldives, and as far as East Africa. Entire communities vanished, and more than 227,000 people in fourteen countries were killed, making it the deadliest tsunami in recorded history.

At least fifteen Canadians lost their lives, and six more were reported missing, most while vacationing in Thailand and Sri Lanka. Survivors described the frantic searches for loved ones and the painful process of identifying and bringing home those who perished.

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami - Wikipedia2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami: Facts and FAQsIndian Ocean tsunami of 2004 | BritannicaSouth Asia: Earthquake and Tsunami - Dec 2004 | ReliefWebThe Night the Earth ShookTsunami - Indian Ocean Boxing Day Tsunami, 2004 | Australian Disaster Resilience Knowledge HubThe Indian Ocean Boxing Day Tsunami, 20 years onTwenty years on: the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami - British Geological SurveyNOAA Center for Tsunami Research - Tsunami Event - December 26, 2004 The Indian Ocean TsunamiRecovery Collection: 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake and TsunamiWhat are the biggest tsunamis ever? How July 29 earthquake, tsunami compares.How a 1,000‑year‑old tsunami in the Indian Ocean points to greater risk than originally thoughtTsunami Eyewitness & Survivors ProjectList of tsunamisZORIAH - A PHOTOJOURNALIST AND WAR PHOTOGRAPHER’S BLOG: Asian Tsunami Anniversary - Thailand Tsunami Then and Now Comparison SeriesSumatra-Andaman Islands Earthquake - IRIS Special ReportHumanitarian response to the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake - WikipediaList of natural disasters by death toll - WikipediaTsunami Generation from the 2004 M=9.1 Sumatra-Andaman EarthquakeLisa BorgThe Devastating 2004 Tsunami: Timeline11 Facts About the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami | DoSomething.orgCNN.com - Tsunami tragedy: Your e-mails - Jan 3, 2005John Knill and Jackie KnillCamera holds instant of tsunami impactTsunami photos show couple's final moments | CBC NewsDiscovery of tsunami camera brings closureCamera shows 'last words' of tsunami victimsSchool built in memory of B.C. tsunami victims | CBC News
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Canadian Connections: The 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami

Episode 390: When most Canadians think of occult-related witch trials, their minds drift south to Salem, Massachusetts, or across the ocean to medieval Europe. The popular narrative suggests that Canada, with its reputation for tolerance and peace, remained untouched by the supernatural hysteria that gripped other nations. This perception, deeply embedded in the Canadian consciousness, paints our country as somehow above the dark chapters of witch-hunting that stained other societies. Even Dark Poutine listeners, well-versed in the country’s hidden crimes and forgotten tragedies, might be surprised to learn the truth.

The reality is far different from this comfortable myth. Canada has a complex and largely forgotten history of witchcraft accusations, trials, and legal persecution spanning over 350 years—from the earliest days of New France to as recently as 2018. From demonic possessions in Quebec City to fraudulent psychics in modern Ontario, the Canadian witch trial story is one of fear, prejudice, and the persistent human tendency to blame the margins of society for inexplicable troubles.

Sources:CBC Radio: “Quebec Demon Possession & Witchcraft in 1660”JSTOR / McGill-Queen’s University Press: The Possession of Barbe HallayCanada’s History: “Sorcery in New France”Kenton de Jong Travel: The Possession of Barbe HallayDictionary of Canadian Biography: Daniel VuilAcademia.edu "Sixteen and Possessed" PDFCanada’s History: Book feature, The Possession of Barbe HallayThe Medium: On Demonic Infestations in 17th century QuébecMysteries of Canada: Poltergeists in Canada, Part IIIJean Campagna, The Sorcerer74 – JEAN CAMPAGNA, THE SORCERERProcès de Jean Campagna, prisonnier, 45 ansJean Campagna (abt.1640-aft.1685) | WikiTree FREE Family TreeQuebec 1685: Part 8- The Charge is SorceryThe Kimble Witch TrialView of Backward Seasons and Remarkable Cold: the Weather over Long Reach, New Brunswick, 1812-1821 | Acadiensis“Native Witchcraft Beliefs in Acadian, Maritime and Newfoundland Folklore” – EruditConcerns move Indigenous ceremony meant to contact 'spirit realm' outside Quebec community | CBC NewsFolklore of Nova ScotiaMi'kmaw Shamans and Acadian Sorcerers: A Study in Cultural Transmissions, Transferences and TransformationsWitchcraft Act 1735Bill C-365 (Historical)Woman Charged With Fake Witchcraft, Days Before Canada Scraps Old Law‘Psychic’ charged with being a fake fights case after Canada decriminalises witchcraft
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Halloween 2025: A Brief History of Witch Trials in Canada

Episode 389: On a rain-soaked evening on June 13th, 1833, two young law students faced each other across a muddy field near Perth, Ontario, pistols in hand. John Wilson, a 20-year-old from humble farming stock, gripped his weapon with trembling fingers as rain dripped from his dark hair. Sixty feet away, 22-year-old Robert Lyon, handsome, aristocratic, and the son of a British officer, stood with the practiced composure of a gentleman born to privilege. Between them lay more than just distance: a bitter rivalry over the affections of Elizabeth Hughes, an English governess whose reputation had sparked this deadly confrontation. What had begun as whispered gossip in a lawyer's office in Bytown would end with one man dead, another's life forever changed, and a woman left to marry her lover's killer. This was Ontario's last fatal duel, a collision between Old World codes of honour and New World ambitions that would echo through Perth's streets for generations.

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A History of Perth | Perth RememberedPerth Military SettlementRobert Lyon 1812 - 1833 | Clark and Hogg Family HistoryWILSON, JOHN – Dictionary of Canadian BiographyWlison and Lyon Duel | Richmond HeritageDuel in Early Upper Canada by William Renwick RiddellARCHIVED - Criminal CodeDueling for Honour or (Il)legal Murder?: Two Case Studies | The Loyalist CollectionSword or Pistol: A Brief History of Duels | Believe it or Not | ÉducaloiEn Guard! A History of Canadian Duels - Academie Duello - Learn SwordplayDueling: the Violence of GentlemenLe matin du 22 mai 1838, le dernier duel du Canadapistol-provenance.pdfLast Fatal Duel Historical PlaqueHow a pair of men in St. John's survived the last duel fought on Canadian soil | CBC NewsUpdates to Canada’s criminal law will legalize duels and permit pretending to practise witchcraft
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Pistols at Perth: The Wilson-Lyon Duel

Episode 388: On the morning of August 5, 2013, Campbellton, New Brunswick, faced an unthinkable tragedy. Police and first responders were called to an apartment above Reptile Ocean, the town’s reptile and fish shop, where they found Connor and Noah Barthe, brothers aged six and four, dead after a sleepover with their friend Jayce Savoie. Sometime in the night, a 12-foot, 53-pound African rock python owned by shopkeeper Jean-Claude Savoie escaped its enclosure, slithered through a vent, and fatally attacked the sleeping boys. The official cause of death was “traumatic asphyxia by constriction,” a finding that shocked the small community and quickly attracted national and international attention. As investigators began their work, residents struggled to comprehend how a night of friendship ended in such horror. Savoie was charged with criminal negligence causing death, setting the stage for a legal and ethical debate that would raise tough questions and stir deep emotions far beyond Campbellton.

Episode Sources:Connor & Noah Barthe Obituary - Campbellton, NB2016 NBQB 205 (CanLII) | R. v. Savoie | CanLII2016 NBQB 135 (CanLII) | R. v. Jean-Claude Savoie | CanLIISnake kills two boys during sleepover, Canadian police sayBoys in python case lived life 'to a maximum' | CBC NewsMother of boys killed by python: 'I thought they would be safe'Mother of N.B. boys killed by python: ‘I thought they would be safe’Reptile Ocean | Facts, Fiction, & the MediaWhy Are People Afraid of Snakes? | Phobia, Evolution, & Facts | BritannicaPython deaths: 'This could have been prevented by a simple action' | CBC NewsPython made ‘growling noises’ after killing young brothers, trial of pet store owner hearsJuror dismissed in python deaths trial as Crown prepares to call final witness | Globalnews.ca‘Smell of food would really excite’ python, reptile expert tells N.B. trial | Globalnews.caJuror dismissed in python deaths trial as Crown prepares to call final witness | Globalnews.caJean-Claude Savoie | News, Videos & ArticlesCBC Player | Dramatic 911 calls over pythonEnfants tués par un python: Jean-Claude Savoie non coupable2013 New Brunswick python attackTragic photos emerge of brothers cleaning snake pen months before python killed them in their sleep
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The Campbellton Python Tragedy: Connor and Noah Barthe

Episode 387: On December 26, 2005, around 5:15 p.m., there was a gunfight outside the Foot Locker store on Yonge Street in downtown Toronto. Unfortunately, a fifteen-year-old girl named Jane Creba was shot and killed. She was an innocent bystander among hundreds of Boxing Day shoppers who were in the area at the time of the shooting. Sadly, she was caught in the middle of the gunfire and died from a single bullet that hit her in the back and pierced her aorta. In addition to Jane, six other people were injured in the shooting.

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Candlelight vigil set for tonight to remember Jane Creba | CBC NewsRobbery, fight led to Boxing Day shooting: affidavit | CBC News2008 CanLII 54975 (ON SC) | R. v. Smith | CanLII2008 ONCJ 123 (CanLII) | R. v. Woodcock et al. | CanLIIJeremiah Valentine interrogation - Police provided video | National PostJeremiah Valentine interrogation - Police provided video | YouTubeGuilty plea in Creba shootingCreba's parents describe 'tsunami of grief' after 2005 shooting | CBC News2012 ONCA 568 (CanLII) | R. v. J.S.R. | CanLII2015 ONCA 535 (CanLII) | R. v. Woodcock | CanLIICanadian Legal Information Institute | CanLIIBoxing Day shootingMan convicted in 2005 Toronto murder of Jane Creba faces first-degree murder charge in MontrealToronto Boxing Day killer granted full parole 7 months before fatal Montreal shootingGunman involved in Jane Creba Boxing Day killing arrested again, faces murder charge in Montreal
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Boxing Day Bystander: The Murder of Jane Creba

Episode 386: In the last episode, we explored the origins of Herbert Baumeister and the early days at Fox Hollow, tracing the stories of early disappearances of gay men around Indiana. The disappearances beginning in the late 1980s and into the 1990s signalled the start of a wave of heartbreak that swept through Indianapolis’s gay community, leaving families and friends desperate for answers.

 In this episode, we turn our focus to the other lives forever altered by Herb Baumeister’s crimes. We’ll share what’s known about the final days of Baumeister’s other victims. Among them were Jeffrey Allan Jones, Roger Alan Goodlet, Michael Frederick Keirn, Steven Spurlin Hale, Richard Douglas Hamilton Jr., Johnny Bayer, Allen Wayne Broussard, and Daniel Thomas Halloran. As their stories unfold, we’ll follow the determined police investigation, the pressure that began to close in on Baumeister, and his frantic flight from justice. This case, originating in quiet Indiana neighbourhoods, fades out across the border—coming to a haunting end here in Canada.

Episode Sources:

Who Was Herb Baumeister? Revisiting the Serial Killer's Crimes and Horrifying Post-Murder Rituals 29 Years After His DeathCrimeLibrary.com/Serial Killers/Sexual Predators/Herb Baumeister: Skeletons Beyond the ClosetBaumeister, Herb - fall, 2005Herbert R. Baumeister - Encyclopedia of IndianapolisHerb BaumeisterQUEER CRIME: The Double Life of Herb BaumeisterI-70 StranglerThe Mystery of the I-70 Serial Killer - Unsolved MysteriesThe True Story Of The Fox Hollow Murders30-year mystery solved: Missing man's remains among those found on suspected serial killer's estateInvestigators Uncover "Unimaginable" 10,000 Bone Fragments in Businessman's BackyardThis private investigator cracked the case of notorious serial killer Herbert BaumeisterJeffrey Allen “Jeff” Jones (1962-1993) - Find a...Roger Allen Goodlet (1960-1994)Michael Frederick “Mike” Keirn (1949-1995) - Find...Steven Spurlin Hale (1967-1996)Richard Douglas Hamilton Jr. (1973-1993) - Find a...John Lee “Johnny” Bayer (1972-1993) - Find a...Allen Wayne Broussard (1966-1994)Daniel Thomas Halloran (1972-1993)After 29 years, another victim of suspected serial killer Herb Baumeister identifiedCoroner: New DNA profiles completed for 2 of serial killer Herb Baumeister's victims10th victim identified in Fox Hollow Farm serial killer case in Indiana'I-70 Strangler' remains mysterious Midwest boogeyman, but private investigator has theoryHerb Baumeister’s killing field and the new effort to identify his victims: Forgotten at Fox Hollow'The Fox Hollow Murders: Playground of a Serial Killer' premieres Feb. 18 on Hulu
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All That Remains: Fox Hollow Farm — Part 2

Episode 385: The killings at Fox Hollow Farm are one of Indiana’s darkest chapters. In the early 1990s, Herb Baumeister, a husband, father, and thrift store owner, lived a double life in the upscale suburb of Westfield. Behind the facade of Fox Hollow Farm, he is believed to have lured young men, mostly from local gay bars, to his home, where police later uncovered the remains of at least 25 victims scattered across the estate. Hundreds of burned and crushed bones were found by investigators, revealing years of concealed brutality. As the net closed in, Baumeister fled to Canada and took his own life at Pinery Provincial Park, leaving unanswered questions and devastated families in his wake.

Sources:

Who Was Herb Baumeister? Revisiting the Serial Killer's Crimes and Horrifying Post-Murder Rituals 29 Years After His DeathCrimeLibrary.com/Serial Killers/Sexual Predators/Herb Baumeister: Skeletons Beyond the ClosetBaumeister, Herb - fall, 2005Herbert R. Baumeister - Encyclopedia of IndianapolisHerb BaumeisterQUEER CRIME: The Double Life of Herb BaumeisterI-70 StranglerThe Mystery of the I-70 Serial Killer - Unsolved MysteriesThe True Story Of The Fox Hollow Murders30-year mystery solved: Missing man's remains among those found on suspected serial killer's estateAllen Lee Livingston (1965-1993)Investigators Uncover "Unimaginable" 10,000 Bone Fragments in Businessman's BackyardThis private investigator cracked the case of notorious serial killer Herbert Baumeister'I-70 Strangler' remains mysterious Midwest boogeyman, but private investigator has theory
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All That Remains: Fox Hollow Farm — Part 1

Episode 059 - In a bit of a palate cleansing episode after two of our most brutal, Mike and Scott bring listeners up to speed with a show primer, answering burning questions like, "What is a toque?" and "What's in a Nanaimo bar?". We spend some time debunking myths about Canada and then take on listener questions via write in and phone.

Sources:Favourite Canadian Horror Movies: The Fly and The ChangelingFavourite Non-True Crime Podcasts we like: Gilbert Gottfried, Joe Rogan, Varmints, CanadalandOfficial Nanaimo Bar RecipeMinds of Madness Podcast
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