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Ari's Take

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“#1 music industry podcast to help keep you in the loop” -Spotify

“The 10 Best Music Business Podcasts of 2022" – Variety

Ari Herstand is the best-selling author of How To Make It in the New Music Business. Forbes calls him “The poster child of DIY music.” In this show, he deconstructs the brightest minds in the music industry, digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and strategies that listeners can use to run successful careers of their own. Ari offers straight talk with no fluff and doesn’t let his guests off easy. If there is a way, Ari will find it.

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The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Daniel Rowland, a rare combination of audio engineer, producer, tech executive, and educator. The music he’s worked on has amassed over 15 billion streams, earning Emmy and Oscar wins, Grammy nominations, and multiple platinum certifications. His credits span an eclectic range of artists and projects, including Nina Simone, Nine Inch Nails, Thundercat, Star Wars, Pixar, and John Wick. Beyond the studio, Daniel serves as VP of Strategy and Partnerships at LANDR Audio and a longtime professor at MTSU, where he champions ethical, AI-driven tools that empower creators.

In this episode, Ari and Daniel explore the ever-evolving intersection of music, technology, and creativity. They dive deep into the art and science of mastering for different formats, the rise of AI in music production, and how to maintain authenticity in an increasingly automated world. Daniel also shares his personal journey from musician to educator and innovator, offering invaluable insights for artists navigating the future of sound and creation.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rowlanddaniel

https://www.landr.com/

00:00 – Mixing vs. Mastering & the Role of AI in Quality Control

02:30 – Introducing Daniel Rowland & His Career Overview

06:45 – Daniel’s Journey from Musician to Engineer & Educator

09:45 – Dolby Atmos & Spatial Audio: Fad or Future?

19:00 – What Mastering Really Is (and Isn’t)

26:00 – The “Curmudgeon” Era of Mastering Engineers

29:00 – Loudness, LUFS, and the Streaming Revolution

36:45 – The Vinyl Comeback: Problems and Pitfalls

47:45 – Automated Mastering & LANDR’s Evolution

54:00 – The Future of AI and Creativity in Music

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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How a Mastering Engineer Works With (and Without) AI

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Ralph Torrefranca, Executive Director of A&R at Angry Mob Music. With nearly two decades of experience, Ralph has championed emerging songwriters, artists, and producers, working with talents like Jake Scott, Bailey Bryan, and Joe Pepe. He is also the founder of Angry Mob’s New Normal Writing Camp, a diversity-driven initiative, and a respected voice on equity in the music industry. Beyond his A&R work, Ralph fronts the post-punk band Cuffed Up and is an award-winning filmmaker.

In this episode, Ralph offers a candid look at the realities of A&R and independent publishing. He and Ari discuss signing and developing new talent, navigating the politics of song splits, and the growing importance of diversity in writers’ rooms. Ralph also sheds light on the challenges songwriters face in today’s industry and the ongoing fight for fair representation, making this conversation invaluable for anyone seeking an inside perspective on the business of songwriting and publishing.

https://www.instagram.com/rhymeswithralph

https://www.instagram.com/angrymobmusic

00:00:00 Introduction to A&R and Publishing

00:03:00 The Role of A&R in Independent Publishing

00:09:00 Challenges in Signing New Talent

00:15:00 The Politics of Song Splits

00:21:00 Diversity in Writers' Rooms

00:27:00 Advocating for Songwriters' Rights

00:33:00 The Evolving Music Industry Landscape

00:39:00 Songwriting Camps and Collaboration

00:45:00 Defining Success in the Music Business

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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How A&R at Publishing Companies Work

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Nicole Zuraitis, a GRAMMY-winning New York-based jazz singer, songwriter, pianist, and arranger. Her 2023 album, How Love Begins, won Best Jazz Vocal Album at the 66th GRAMMY Awards in 2024. She has performed all over the world from Birdland and Dizzy's Club to Lincoln Center China. She first earned GRAMMY attention in 2019 for her arrangement of Dolly Parton's "Jolene" with a GRAMMY nomination for Best Arrangement, Instruments, and Vocals. She most recently won a GRAMMY in 2025 for Best Large Jazz Ensemble Album.

In this episode, Nicole traces her path from early days hustling in the New York jazz scene, collaborating with Christian McBridge, touring in China, and navigating the realities of indie artistry. She digs into the power of networking in her community, the pandemic's impact on NYC venues, why physical release formats still matter, and how grants and private donors help fund albums.

https://www.nicolezmusic.com/

4:53 - Introduction and Nicole's new live album

9:23 - The decision to record live at VIXX

15:53 - Collaborating with Christian McBride

22:38 - Touring in China and working with Jazz at Lincoln Center

29:08 - The Grammy experience and independent artist challenges

36:33 - The role of networking in New York's music scene

44:13 - The impact of the pandemic on jazz clubs

51:43 - The importance of physical music products in the digital age

59:23 - Funding albums through grants and private donors

1:05:53 - Nicole's upcoming projects and future plans

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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GRAMMY Winning NYC Jazz Singer/Songwriter/Arranger Makes It Work

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Sol Rising, a producer and DJ whose eclectic blend of electronic, downtempo, and lo-fi has inspired millions. Born in Vancouver and raised in Iowa, he went from a childhood rooted in meditation to becoming one of America’s top scratch DJs before evolving into a prolific producer. With over 20 albums, 225M+ streams, and international tours across the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, and Australia, Sol Rising shares his journey of artistry and growth.

Sol shares his journey from a turntablist to a successful artist with millions of streams, discussing the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music world independently. They delve into the impact of streaming platforms, the role of AI in music, and the importance of staying true to one's artistic vision. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about creativity, perseverance, and the evolving landscape of the music business.

05:40 – Introduction and Niche

11:10 – Early Journey

17:40 – Shift to Yoga Music

24:25 – Streaming Platforms

30:55 – AI in Music

37:40 – Creativity and Motivation

45:40 – Future Plans

53:10 – Reflections and Advice

https://www.instagram.com/solrising

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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Finding Accidental Streaming Success in a Niche Market

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Fede Petro to discuss Open Folk, a community driven, international live event series. Fede Petro is an Argentine-born producer, songwriter, and event creator whose work bridges continents and artistic disciplines. He was the tour manager and show producer for two-time Oscar winner Gustavo Santaolalla, leading tours across the Americas and overseeing every detail from stage to logistics. He’s also the founder and artistic director of Open Folk, a grassroots music movement that began over a decade ago and now operates in Argentina, Spain, and the United States, curating intimate showcases and conceptual tribute nights that spotlight independent songwriters and community-driven artistry.

In this episode, Ari and Fede dive into the story behind Open Folk—how it grew from living-room gatherings in Buenos Aires to a global community of stages. Fede reflects on the obstacles of sustaining independent events, the philosophy of keeping lineups unannounced, and the balance between financial survival and artistic integrity. The conversation widens into the larger live music ecosystem, examining the evolving role of promoters and the value of cultivating meaningful, immersive experiences for both artists and audiences.

https://www.theopenfolk.org/

0:00 Introduction and Background

5:01 Starting Open Folk in Buenos Aires

15:01 Transition to Los Angeles

25:01 Philosophy and Impact of Open Folk

35:01 Financial Aspects and Challenges

45:01 Creating Immersive Experiences

55:01 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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How To Produce Live Music Events That Make Community

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Top Music Attorney, Miss Krystle. Miss Krystle is an entertainment attorney, independent artist, musician, and CEO of Delgado Entertainment Law. She hosts the Top Music Attorney podcast and popular YouTube channel, and has sold tens of millions of dollars in music catalogs. As leader of the class action lawsuit against A.I. generative companies Suno and Udio on behalf of independent artist, producers, & songwriters; she continues to champion creators’ rights while teaching artists how to think like major labels and build six-figure careers on their own terms.

In this insightful episode, Ari and Krystle, delve into the complexities of the music industry, focusing on the challenges and opportunities presented by AI in music creation. They discuss the ongoing legal battles against AI music platforms, the importance of copyright registration, and the evolving landscape of music licensing. Tune in to learn how independent artists can navigate these changes and protect their creative rights.

https://www.instagram.com/misskrystlelive

00:00 - Introduction and AI's Impact on Music

03:00 - Legal Challenges and Copyright Issues

06:00 - Class Action Lawsuits Against AI Platforms

09:00 - Independent Artists and AI

12:00 - The Role of Copyright Registration

15:00 - Spotify's Approach to AI Music

18:00 - Fair Use in AI Music

21:00 - Future of the Music Industry

24:00 - Strategies for Artists to Protect Their Work

27:00 - Closing Thoughts and Takeaways

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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Suno and Udio SUED By Indie Musicians - The Lead Attorney Tells All

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This week on the New Music Business, Ari is joined by the founder of Purple Bite PR, Mikel Corrente. In the last few years Corrente adapted a “Zero-Risk” guaranteed or money back system that is very uncommon in the PR industry but it’s more transparent and fairer than the traditional PR system. Some examples of artists and companies that Corrente has worked with are: Sony Music, Kat Graham, Red Light Management, Mix Master Mike, Elohim, Jesse Jo Stark, Lauren Ruth Ward, BIIANCO, and many more.

05:52 Welcome / background

10:20 PR model ten years ago, shifting from publications to playlists

15:55 What PR is and what a publicist does

25:21 Evolution of press rates and artist feedback

31:24 Relationship with fashion and music publication Lady Gun

41:58 Pay-to-play PR model

47:03 What is the point of music press right now?

53:21 Purple Bite’s business model

01:05:03 How Purple Bite guarantees placements

01:09:50 What it means to make it in the New Music Business

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Watch more discussions like this: https://bit.ly/3LavMpa

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Website: https://aristake.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/aristake_

TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@aris.take

Twitter: https://twitter.com/ArisTake

YouTube: https://youtube.com/user/aristake1

Connect with Ari Herstand:

Website: https://ariherstand.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/ariherstand

Twitter: https://twitter.com/ariherstand

YouTube: https://youtube.com/ariherstand

Connect with Mikel Corrente:

Website: http://purplebite.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/mikelcorrente

TikTok: https://.tiktok.com/@mikelcorrente

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MikelCorrente

Edited and mixed by Maxton Hunter

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

#MusicPR #MusicPress #MusicMarketing

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​This Music Publicist Has Upended the Entire PR Model

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Stephen Parker, Executive Director of the National Independent Venue Association (NIVA), which represents over 1,500 venues nationwide. Together, they discuss the Federal Trade Commission’s lawsuit against Live Nation and Ticketmaster, which alleges deceptive pricing practices that have enabled scalpers to exploit both artists and fans for billions of dollars.

Ari and Stephen break down the logistics of the case, its potential impact on the future of ticketed events, and the incriminating evidence pointing to Live Nation and Ticketmaster’s complicity. They also explore the broader issue of monopoly power in the live music industry, the push to separate the two companies, and the policy and legal strategies that could protect venues, artists, and consumers moving forward.

https://www.nivassoc.org/

https://www.nivassoc.org/fixthetix/model-legislation

5:10 Introduction and Overview of Live Nation's Situation

10:10 FTC Lawsuit Against Live Nation and Ticketmaster

15:10 History of Live Nation and Ticketmaster Merger

20:10 Role of NIVA and Its Advocacy Efforts

25:10 Impact of Ticket Scalping and Resale Practices

30:10 Discussion on Ticketing Reform and Legislative Efforts

35:10 Challenges Faced by Independent Venues

40:10 Artists' Perspectives on Ticketing Issues

45:10 Future of Ticketing and Live Events

50:10 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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The FTC Sues Live Nation and Ticketmaster - NIVA Responds

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Seamus Menihane, CEO and Co-Founder of the merch company, Downright Merch (now known as Armada). This merch company has paid out over $30 million to clients and they currently manage over 250 merch stores for artists including Thrice, Tom Morello and Death Row Records, as well as clients such as Grillo’s Pickles, Every Day Astronaut and Matty Matheson. 

In this episode, Ari and Seamus dig into all things merch. They discuss online versus touring merch sales, fanclubs, pre-sale campaigns, and large-scale transparency issues that come up between venues and promoters. Seamus and Ari also discuss which merch platforms work best for musicians, how to ‘merchandize’ your audience, and the importance of superfans. You’ll also get the inside scoop on Downright’s recent merger with Overcast to create their new brand Armada, and the exciting new ways they plan to operate. 

https://www.poweredbyarmada.com/about

04:14 – Intro

05:29 – Indie Merch Merger

09:44 – Impact of Merger

15:59 – Brand Management

19:14 – Case Examples

24:44 – Online vs. In-Person

29:14 – Online Strategies

35:59 – Tech in Merch

39:14 – Future of D2C

44:14 – Closing

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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This Merch Company Has Paid Artists $30+ Million

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with sisters Jahan and Yasmine Yousaf of the groundbreaking electronic duo, Krewella. Krewella has earned billions of streams, a devoted global fanbase, and a place among the first women in EDM to reach major milestones. Featured on Forbes’ 30 Under 30 and performing at Coachella, Lollapalooza, EDC, Tomorrowland, and beyond, Krewella has left an undeniable mark on the scene. After time with Columbia Records and a brief hiatus, they’ve returned with a new single, “Crying on the Dancefloor.”

Jahan and Yasmine dive deep into the business of music—covering collaborations, royalty splits, AI tools, and the ever-changing industry landscape. They reflect on how much has shifted over the past nine years, offering candid insights on balancing algorithm demands with authentic artistry. Most importantly, they share their perspective on staying true to yourself as an artist—creatively, spiritually, and personally—in an era of constant external pressure.

https://www.instagram.com/krewella/

04:37 – Intro

06:31 – Slower, intentional process

11:18 – Indie team setup

13:49 – Indie vs. major

19:35 – Grow vs. nurture fans, algorithms

31:09 – song death/rebirth, reviving old songs 

35:11 – Collabs & producer roles; splits

45:05 – Remixes/AI/Splice; self-sampling

1:01:05 – Live show: safe, sober, caring

1:08:13 – Making it

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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Krewella on Collabs in EDM, Going Indie and New Fandom

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Learn more about Ryan Vaughn:

Backline Creative - https://www.backlinecreative.com/

Head Bitch Music - https://www.headbitchmusic.com/

Ryan works as a manager for independent artists at his company Backline Creative, and he is the Chief Financial Officer of Head Bitch Music.

00:00 - Welcome 

07:14 - What does your day-to-day look like? 

16:49 - “Fake” artists are actually real 

20:45 - Breaking down “The Chillest” and his release strategy 

28:00 - How to get your label verified through streaming platforms 

30:00 - Spotify playlists and reporting 

37:20 - Algorithmic strategies for independent artists, linear vs. exponential growth 

52:00 - Hacking TikTok with the waterfall method, TikTok licensing, revenue share 

1:00:00 - Discovery mode in Spotify

Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

Ari's Take Academy: https://aristakeacademy.com

Watch more discussions like this: https://bit.ly/3LavMpa

Connect with Ari’s Take:

Website: https://aristake.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aristake_

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aris.take

X: https://twitter.com/ArisTake

Threads: https://www.threads.net/@aristake_

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/aristake1

Connect with Ari Herstand:

Website: https://ariherstand.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/ariherstand

X: https://twitter.com/ariherstand

YouTube: https://youtube.com/ariherstand

Connect with Ryan Vaughn:

Website: https://www.backlinecreative.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/backlinemgmt/

X: https://twitter.com/backlinemgmt

Threads: https://www.threads.net/@headbtchmusic

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandrummerboy/

Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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