Punch Cards, Steam Engines, 48 Volt Batteries, Platform Engineering, and the AI Revolution: The Ongoing Evolution of Language-Based Software Development | An OWASP AppSec Global Lisbon 2024 Conversation with Oleg Shanyuk | On Location Coverage

Guest: Oleg Shanyuk, Platform Security, Delivery Hero [@deliveryherocom]

On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/oleg-shanyuk/

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Hosts:

Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]

On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/sean-martin

Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast

On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli

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Episode Notes

In this On Location episode, Sean Martin discusses the complexities of application security (AppSec) and the challenges surrounding the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) with Oleg Shanyuk at the OWASP Global AppSec Global conference in Lisbon. The conversation delves into various aspects of AppSec, DevSecOps, and the broader scope of securing both web and mobile applications, as well as the cloud and container environments that underpin them.

One of the core topics Martin and Shanyuk explore is the pervasive influence of AI across different sectors. AI's application in coding, for instance, can significantly expedite the development process. However, as Sean Martin highlights, AI-generated code may lack the human intuition and contextual understanding crucial for error mitigation. This necessitates deeper and more intricate code reviews by human developers, reinforcing the symbiotic relationship between human expertise and AI efficiency.

Shanyuk shares insightful anecdotes about the history and evolution of programming languages and how AI's rise is reminiscent of past technological shifts. He references the advancement from physical punch cards to assembly languages and human-readable code, drawing parallels to the current AI boom. Shanyuk stresses the importance of learning from past technological evolutions to better understand and leverage AI's full potential in modern development environments.

The conversation also explores the practical applications of AI in fields beyond straightforward coding. Shanyuk discusses the evolution of automotive batteries from 12 volts to 48 volts, paralleling this shift with how AI can optimize various processes in different industries. This evolution demonstrates the potential of technology to drive efficiencies and reduce costs, emphasizing the need for ongoing innovation and adaptation.

Martin further navigates the discussion towards platform engineering, contrasting its benefits of consistency and control with the precision and customization needed for specific tasks. The ongoing debate encapsulates the broader dialogue within the tech community about finding the right balance between standardization and flexibility. Shanyuk's perspective offers valuable insights into how industries can leverage AI and platform engineering principles to achieve both operational efficiency and specialized functionality.

The episode concludes with forward-looking reflections on the future of AI-driven models and their potential to transcend the limitations of human language and traditional coding paradigms. The thoughtful dialogue between Martin and Shanyuk leaves listeners with a deeper appreciation of the challenges and opportunities within the realm of AI and AppSec, encouraging continued exploration and discourse in these rapidly evolving fields.

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Resources

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Learn more about OWASP AppSec Global Lisbon 2024: https://lisbon.globalappsec.org/

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