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Retired Navy SEAL, Jocko Willink and Director, Echo Charles discuss discipline and leadership in business, war, relationships and everyday life.


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The second part to The Need to Lead, by Dave Berke. How ego quietly sabotages leaders and teams. When we see others’ failures as our wins, frustration and judgment take over. We talk about how that mindset damages trust, limits growth, and creates division. The conversation shows how shifting from ego to ownership not only builds stronger relationships but also unlocks the real strength of leadership—helping others rise instead of hoping they fall.

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510: The Ego Trap In Leadership. The Need To Lead Pt.2. With Dave Berke.

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Accept That The People Around You May Not Want To Do Their Best 

How to have the best relationship with your family members when they do not want to improve themselves.

How to influence people to be a better version of themself.

If you're struggling with balance and have an addictive personality.

The 1-5 system of evaluating your performance on ANYTHING.

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Jocko Underground: Accept That The People Around You May Not Want To Do Their Best

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Dave Burke breaks down why humility, detachment, and rejecting perfection are the foundation of true leadership. Jocko adds his perspective from the SEAL Teams to reveal what separates leaders who win from those who fail.

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509: The Need to Lead: Lessons from Dogfights, Dunker Drills, and Ego Checks. With Dave Berke.

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Up before the enemy. Disciplined vs. Crazy

Balancing it all. Training as a Specialized Officer

Discovering a family member's Infidelity

Homeschool vs. Public School Debate

Friendship Destroyed by Politics. What to do.

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Jocko Underground: "Up Before The Enemy". Disciplined? Foolish? Or Not That Serious?

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Retired Marine Major Scott Huesing, author of Echo in Ramadi, to walk through the brutal realities of combat in Iraq’s deadliest city, the cost of leadership, and the transition back home. Scott shares the powerful story of his Marines, the memorials for the fallen, his personal battles after service, and how writing became a new mission to honor and preserve these stories. From Gold Star families to fellow veterans finding their voice, this is a conversation about sacrifice, resilience, and keeping the legacy alive.

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508: The Mission Continues Beyond Ramadi. With Major Scott Huesing

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Secretary of Veterans Affairs Doug Collins about the realities of leadership in war, ministry, law, Congress, and now the VA. Collins shares hard lessons from funerals and eulogies, where grief and writing become tools for healing. He reflects on the brutality of “full-contact politics,” bipartisan wins that mattered, and the chaos of impeachment battles. From his close work with President Trump to his current mission inside the nation’s second-largest department, Collins lays out the scale of the VA—health care, benefits, cemeteries—and the fight to cut through bureaucracy. This conversation is about service, accountability, and the relentless effort to honor veterans not as victims, but as warriors who deserve the best care their nation can give.

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507: Leadership and Accountability at the VA. With Secretary Doug Collins

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How to honor your commitment when it gets hard. 

Physical confrontations and how to handle them. 

Doing well in life on paper, but deeply unhappy--What to do. 

How to handle a toxic romantic relationship. 

Developing Jiu Jitsu techniques to deal with good wrestlers. 

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Jocko Underground: How to Honor Your Commitments When It Gets Hard

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Clay Martin, former Green Beret and author, shares his journey from brutal combat in Iraq to the battles of life after war. He reveals how writing saved him, how visions of an ancestral spirit reshaped his path, and why Barbarian Spirit is a call to purpose and survival for veterans today.

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506: Violence, War, and the Path to Redemption. With Clay Martin

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Declared Hostile: This Is America

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Leading at Home Without Anger

(How to earn respect, guide your kids, and avoid becoming a tyrant parent.)

When a Neighbor Crosses the Line

(Handling heartless comments after the Charlie Kirk tragedy while keeping peace next door.)

Finding Peace After a Father’s Failings

(Moving forward when your dad wasn’t the hero you needed.)

Bipolar Disorder and the Fight for Balance

(Using sports, discipline, and creativity to manage the highs and lows.)

Set Up to Fail at Work?

(Navigating redundancy, lost progression, and building an exit strategy.)

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Jocko Underground: How to Finally Get Your Kids To do What You Want Them To.

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Harold Underdown (aka Dog) is a co-founder of Four Branches Bourbon, where he brings his 30-year career as a Master Chief Naval Special Warfare (SEAL) to the company. As a former Navy SEAL Command Master Chief and VP of the UDT/SEAL Association, Harold leads Four Branches Bourbon's efforts to support special operations veterans and causes. He manages collaboration ventures and giveback initiatives, promoting the company's message of Drink Honorably. Currently, Harold is working onboard at Baker's Bay Golf and Ocean Club in the Bahamas as a Security Training Consultant for logistics, safety, and security. He's always down for a good pour and cigar, fishing, shooting, and anything outdoors. Go Navy!

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476: Dog Ain't Got Nuthin' For Ya. With Retired SEAL Harold "Dog" Underdown.

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