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Lex Fridman

Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Lex Fridman Podcast

Julia Shaw is a criminal psychologist and author who in her books explores human nature, including psychopathy, violent crime, the psychology of evil, police interrogation, false memory manipulation, deception detection, and human sexuality.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(01:00) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:16) - Dark Tetrad - Psychopathy, Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Sadism
(29:23) - Serial killers
(43:59) - Murder
(51:51) - Lies and scams
(56:38) - Jealousy
(1:00:07) - Monogamy
(1:05:20) - Sexuality
(1:20:21) - Sexual fetishes
(1:35:56) - Criminal psychology
(1:39:04) - False memories
(2:25:01) - Criminals destroying the planet
(2:40:24) - Hope

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#483 – Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex

Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(02:46) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(11:29) - Philosophy of freedom
(14:37) - No alcohol
(22:42) - No phone
(28:38) - Discipline
(49:50) - Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
(1:05:12) - Arrest in France
(1:21:23) - Romanian elections
(1:32:18) - Power and corruption
(1:41:50) - Intense education
(1:53:51) - Nikolai Durov
(1:58:19) - Programming and video games
(2:02:33) - VK origins & engineering
(2:19:46) - Hiring a great team
(2:29:02) - Telegram engineering & design
(2:48:04) - Encryption
(2:53:01) - Open source
(2:57:48) - Edward Snowden
(3:00:20) - Intelligence agencies
(3:01:32) - Iran and Russia government pressure
(3:04:41) - Apple
(3:11:38) - Poisoning
(3:43:53) - Money
(3:52:45) - TON
(4:02:35) - Bitcoin
(4:05:34) - Two chairs dilemma
(4:12:14) - Children
(4:23:24) - Father
(4:27:55) - Quantum immortality
(4:34:27) - Kafka

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#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Norman Ohler is a historian and author of "Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich," a book that investigates the role of psychoactive drugs, particularly stimulants such as methamphetamine, in the military history of World War II. It is a book that two legendary historians Ian Kershaw and Antony Beevor give very high praise for its depth of research. Norman also wrote "Tripped: Nazi Germany, the CIA, and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age", and he is working on a new book "Stoned Sapiens" looking at the history of human civilization through the lens of drugs.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(01:09) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(09:00) - Drugs in post-WWI Germany
(19:18) - Nazi rise to power
(23:45) - Hitler's drug use
(29:37) - Response to historian criticism
(46:16) - Pervitin
(1:00:15) - Blitzkrieg and meth
(1:18:52) - Erwin Rommel (Crystal Fox)
(1:23:02) - Dunkirk
(1:31:06) - Hitler's drug addiction
(1:47:03) - Methamphetamine
(1:48:57) - Invasion of Soviet Union
(2:07:54) - Cocaine
(2:16:49) - Hitler's last days
(2:36:48) - German resistance against Nazis
(2:58:59) - Totalitarianism
(3:04:09) - Stoned Sapiens - Drugs in human history
(3:19:20) - Religion
(3:30:09) - LSD, CIA, and MKUltra
(3:55:39) - Writing on drugs
(4:08:40) - Berlin night clubs
(4:19:14) - Greatest book ever written

#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

Dave Hone is a paleontologist, expert on dinosaurs, co-host of the Terrible Lizards podcast, and author of numerous scientific papers and books on the behavior and ecology of dinosaurs. He lectures at Queen Mary University of London on topics of Ecology, Zoology, Biology, and Evolution.
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Dave's Blog: https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/
Dave's Academic Website: https://www.qmul.ac.uk/sbbs/staff/davidhone.html

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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:22) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(07:18) - T-Rex's size & biomechanics
(31:00) - T-Rex's hunting strategies
(44:07) - History of dinosaurs on Earth
(1:04:38) - $31.8 million T-Rex fossil
(1:17:44) - T-Rex's skull and bone-crushing bite force
(1:36:33) - What Jurassic Park got wrong
(1:54:52) - Evolution and sexual selection
(2:15:26) - Spinosaurus
(2:26:02) - What Jurassic Park got right
(2:33:35) - T-Rex's intelligence
(2:43:34) - Cannibalism among T-Rex
(2:49:05) - Extinction of the dinosaurs
(3:06:15) - Dragons
(3:22:39) - Birds are dinosaurs
(3:33:23) - Future of paleontology

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#480 – Dave Hone: T-Rex, Dinosaurs, Extinction, Evolution, and Jurassic Park

Dave Plummer is a programmer, former Microsoft software engineer (Windows 95, NT, XP), creator of Task Manager, author of two books on autism, and host of the Dave's Garage YouTube channel, where he shares stories from his career, insights on software development, and deep dives into technology.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(01:14) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(10:16) - First computer
(15:54) - Dropping out of high-school
(23:35) - Joining Microsoft
(25:47) - MS-DOS
(28:59) - Windows 95
(35:46) - The man behind Windows
(40:42) - Debugging
(45:59) - Task Manager
(51:08) - 3D Pinball: Space Cadet
(56:07) - Start menu and taskbar
(1:07:06) - Blue Screen of Death
(1:09:15) - Best programmers
(1:17:16) - Scariest time of Dave's life
(1:24:44) - Best Windows version
(1:26:34) - Slot machines
(1:30:17) - Autism and ADHD
(1:49:37) - Fastest programming language
(1:53:42) - Future of programming

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#479 – Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

Scott Horton is the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, co-host of Provoked, and for the past three decades a staunch critic of U.S. military interventionism.
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Scott's X: https://x.com/scotthortonshow
Scott Horton Show: https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow
Provoked Show: https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show
Scott's Substack: https://scotthortonshow.com/
Scott's Website: https://scotthorton.org/
Scott's Books: https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y
Libertarian Institute: https://libertarianinstitute.org/
Antiwar.com: https://antiwar.com/

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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:35) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(09:14) - From the Cold War to the War on Terror
(1:02:13) - Iraq War 1
(1:30:17) - Bin Laden
(2:29:39) - Afghanistan War
(2:44:35) - Iraq War 2
(3:10:59) - Military Industrial Complex
(3:50:25) - Scott's life story
(4:20:15) - Iraq War 2 (continued)
(5:11:43) - Syria
(6:05:01) - Iraq War 3
(6:17:28) - Somalia
(6:22:56) - Iran
(7:12:41) - Israel-Palestine
(9:02:19) - Cold War 2.0

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#478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex

Keyu Jin is an economist specializing in China's economy, international macroeconomics, global trade imbalances, and financial policy. She is the author of The New China Playbook: Beyond Socialism and Capitalism.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:35) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:26) - Misconceptions about China
(12:57) - Education in China
(22:14) - Economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping
(27:33) - Mayor economy and GDP growth race
(41:20) - Growing up in China
(46:58) - First time in the US
(51:12) - China's government vs business sector
(54:46) - Communism and capitalism
(58:25) - Jack Ma
(1:04:37) - China's view on innovation and copying ideas
(1:11:15) - DeepSeek moment
(1:15:09) - CHIPS Act
(1:16:56) - Tariffs and Trade
(1:29:21) - Immigration
(1:34:08) - Taiwan
(1:39:54) - One-child policy
(1:47:51) - China's economy collapse predictions
(1:52:34) - Advice for visiting China

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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

Jack Weatherford is an anthropologist and historian specializing in Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire.
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The Secret History of the Mongol Queens: https://amzn.to/4l22uud
Genghis Khan and the Quest for God: https://amzn.to/4fpOQA4
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:44) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(10:44) - Origin story of Genghis Khan
(52:30) - Early battles & conquests
(1:05:11) - Power
(1:07:33) - Secret History
(1:20:58) - Mongolian steppe
(1:24:16) - Mounted archery and horse-riding
(1:32:36) - Genghis Khan's army
(1:48:49) - Military tactics and strategy
(2:01:13) - Wars of conquest
(2:05:37) - Dan Carlin
(2:15:37) - Religious freedom
(2:31:24) - Trade and the Silk Road
(2:40:10) - Weapons innovation
(2:41:40) - Kublai Khan and conquering China
(3:23:31) - Fall of the Mongol Empire
(3:50:26) - Genetic legacy
(4:00:20) - Lessons from Genghis Khan
(4:10:36) - Human nature
(4:13:47) - Visiting Mongolia
(4:33:15) - Lex: Dan Carlin
(4:36:06) - Lex: Gaza

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#476 – Jack Weatherford: Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire

Demis Hassabis is the CEO of Google DeepMind and Nobel Prize winner for his groundbreaking work in protein structure prediction using AI.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:29) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:40) - Learnable patterns in nature
(12:22) - Computation and P vs NP
(21:00) - Veo 3 and understanding reality
(25:24) - Video games
(37:26) - AlphaEvolve
(43:27) - AI research
(47:51) - Simulating a biological organism
(52:34) - Origin of life
(58:49) - Path to AGI
(1:09:35) - Scaling laws
(1:12:51) - Compute
(1:15:38) - Future of energy
(1:19:34) - Human nature
(1:24:28) - Google and the race to AGI
(1:42:27) - Competition and AI talent
(1:49:01) - Future of programming
(1:55:27) - John von Neumann
(2:04:41) - p(doom)
(2:09:24) - Humanity
(2:12:30) - Consciousness and quantum computation
(2:18:40) - David Foster Wallace
(2:25:54) - Education and research

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#475 – Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games

David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:58) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:48) - Programming - early days
(26:13) - JavaScript
(36:32) - Google Chrome and DOJ
(44:19) - Ruby programming language
(51:30) - Beautiful code
(1:09:31) - Metaprogramming
(1:12:52) - Dynamic typing
(1:20:10) - Scaling
(1:33:03) - Future of programming
(1:50:34) - Future of AI
(1:56:29) - Vibe coding
(2:05:01) - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language
(2:29:27) - Why managers are useless
(2:38:48) - Small teams
(2:44:55) - Jeff Bezos
(3:00:13) - Why meetings are toxic
(3:07:58) - Case against retirement
(3:15:15) - Hard work
(3:20:53) - Why we left the cloud
(3:24:04) - AWS
(3:33:22) - Owning your own servers
(3:39:35) - Elon Musk
(3:49:17) - Apple
(4:01:03) - Tim Sweeney
(4:12:37) - Fatherhood
(4:38:19) - Racing
(5:05:23) - Cars
(5:10:41) - Programming setup
(5:25:51) - Programming language for beginners
(5:39:09) - Open source
(5:48:01) - WordPress drama
(5:59:18) - Money and happiness
(6:08:11) - Hope

#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Tuomas Sandholm is a professor at CMU and co-creator of Libratus, which is the first AI system to beat top human players at the game of Heads-Up No-Limit Texas Hold'em. He has published over 450 papers on game theory and machine learning, including a best paper in 2017 at NIPS / NeurIPS. His research and companies have had wide-reaching impact in the real world, especially because he and his group not only propose new ideas, but also build systems to prove these ideas work in the real world. Video version is available on YouTube. If you would like to get more information about this podcast go to https://lexfridman.com/ai or connect with @lexfridman on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, or YouTube where you can watch the video versions of these conversations.

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