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Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

You can afford anything, but not everything. We make daily decisions about how to spend money, time, energy, focus and attention – and ultimately, our life.
How do we make smarter decisions? How do we think from first principles?
On the surface, Afford Anything seems like a podcast about money and investing.
But under the hood, this is a show about how to think critically, recognize our behavioral blind spots, and make smarter choices. We’re into the psychology of money, and we love metacognition: thinking about how to think.
In some episodes, we interview world-class experts: professors, researchers, scientists, authors. In other episodes, we answer your questions, talking through decision-making frameworks and mental models.
Want to learn more? Download our free book, Escape, at http://affordanything.com/escape. Hosted by Paula Pant.

Afford Anything

#652: What if you did everything “right”, earned the degree, landed the six-figure job, and still felt broke?

That’s exactly where Rose Han found herself. Fresh out of NYU with a finance degree and a Wall Street paycheck, she had a negative net worth, mounting stress, and a sinking feeling that traditional success wasn’t the path to freedom.

In this conversation, Rose shares how she broke out of that cycle and built a seven-figure business that gives her time, independence, and peace of mind. We explore how she reframed her relationship with money, learned to scale her income, and built a life that aligns with her values.

Key Takeaways

 
When a “side hustle” becomes just a second job

 
How your uniqueness is your greatest asset

 
The slow season that led to a million-dollar leap

Resources and Links

 
Rose Han on YouTube

 
Add a Zero by Rose Han

Chapters

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(0:00) Rose Han’s story begins: doing everything right yet still ending up broke

(5:45) The Cancun moment that sparked Rose’s financial awakening

(9:12) Discovering the three types of income and why some buy freedom while others don’t

(13:45) How Rose Han built her “Add a Zero” framework for lasting wealth

(21:30) From employee mindset to entrepreneur mindset

(25:15) The three levels of leverage and how to scale your income

(28:55) Why not every side hustle creates freedom

(31:45) Overcoming the fear of selling

(39:16) How to build a business while working full-time

(47:10) Rose’s real estate lessons and the myth of passive income

(53:55) Knowing when to walk away from an investment

(1:10:15) What financial freedom really means and how to find your own version

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Why High Earners Stay Broke, with Rose Han

#651: Many who reach CoastFI find themselves in a strange in-between: financially independent enough to stop saving, but not ready to fully retire. When you’re living off a taxable brokerage for decades, does the “never hold bonds in taxable” rule still apply?

This episode explores how traditional asset location advice meets real-life spending. We unpack how to balance growth, taxes, and stability when your taxable account becomes your paycheck. Then we shift to two more listener dilemmas: helping a parent retire through shared home ownership, and using covered-call strategies to earn income from a stock-heavy portfolio.

Listener Questions in This Episode

Brandon (1:28): “I’m CoastFI and will withdraw from my taxable account for the next 20 years. Should I hold bonds in taxable, or keep it all in stocks?”

Brandon’s retirement accounts can grow untouched, but his taxable brokerage will fund two decades of living expenses. The classic rule says avoid bonds in taxable, yet Paula explains why that advice isn’t universal. When your taxable account funds your life, it needs to act as a complete portfolio. We discuss how to balance risk, prioritize liquidity, and plan your glidepath into CoastFI life.

Andrew (22:07): “My spouse and I co-own a home with my mother-in-law. How can we help her retire without creating family tension?”

We explore fair, flexible ways to support an aging parent while keeping relationships healthy. Paula explains how to design a win-win deal and why seller financing can help balance cash flow and peace of mind.

Chandan (49:16): “Can covered-call ETFs help me generate income from my stock portfolio and RSUs?”

We explain how covered calls work, what “covered” really means, and the tradeoff between steady income and limited upside. For those with concentrated stock positions, Paula shares when covered calls make sense—and when simpler plans win.

Key Takeaways

 The “no bonds in taxable” rule isn’t universal. When you’re drawing solely from taxable accounts for many years, that account needs to function as its own mini-portfolio, including bonds or cash for stability.

 Asset location follows purpose, not dogma. Tax efficiency matters, but liquidity and risk management take priority when the account funds your life.

 Think in terms of buckets. Your retirement accounts can stay growth-oriented while your taxable account carries the ballast for spending.

 Plan ahead for rebalancing. When taxable balances decline, know how and when to refill your bond/cash sleeve from other sources to keep your glidepath intact.

 The transition to CoastFI is a mental shift. You’re no longer optimizing for maximum returns, you’re designing for peace of mind and steady withdrawals.

Chapters

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(01:28) Brandon’s CoastFI question: bonds in taxable when withdrawals start now

(03:56) Why “no bonds in taxable” is a rule of thumb, not a law

(12:42) How to treat taxable as a stand-alone portfolio

(18:31) Balancing tax efficiency with cash-flow reality

(25:26) Helping a parent retire through shared property ownership

(01:05:40) Options: Buying or selling with Options

(01:07:07) Covered calls explained simply, income with a ceiling

Resources & Links

Asset Location Cheat Sheet (free): affordanything.com/assetlocation

Guide to Double-I FIRE (free): affordanything.com/fiire

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Everyone Says Don’t Hold Bonds in Taxable Accounts. They’re Wrong

#650: Sarah Williamson is the kind of person who shapes the decisions that move trillions of dollars. She earned her MBA with distinction from Harvard Business School and holds both the CFA and CAIA designations, two of the most demanding credentials in finance.

In this episode, she helps us understand how investing really works, who the major players are, how capital flows through the system, and why the incentives driving investors, activists, and asset managers often collide.

Sarah spent more than twenty years at Wellington Management, where she rose to Partner and Director of Alternative Investments, after working at Goldman Sachs, McKinsey & Company, and the U.S. Department of State. Today she leads FCLTGlobal, an organization dedicated to helping companies and investors focus on long-term value creation. She is also the author of The CEO’s Guide to the Investment Galaxy.

She explains why index funds now dominate corporate ownership, how Reddit and retail traders changed the market’s dynamics, and what it means when activists push companies to “bring earnings forward.” She also introduces a framework for understanding the “five solar systems” of investing, a map that connects everyone from day traders to trillion-dollar sovereign wealth funds.

Whether you are a passive investor or simply curious about what drives the market, this episode gives you the clarity to see how capital really moves and why it matters.

Key Takeaways

 Reddit and the meme-stock movement permanently changed how individual investors move markets

 Index funds now dominate ownership, creating both stability and new corporate challenges

 Activists often prioritize short-term profit over long-term innovation

 Sovereign wealth funds act like national endowments, investing with century-long horizons

 Understanding who owns what (and why) makes you a more informed, confident investor

Resources and Links

 
The CEO’s Guide to the Investment Galaxy by Sarah Williamson

 
FCLTGlobal, a nonprofit that helps companies and investors focus on long-term value creation

Chapters

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(00:00) Meet Sarah Williamson: CEO, CFA, Harvard MBA, global finance leader

(5:41) The five “solar systems” that organize the investing world

(7:55) Reddit and the rise of the retail investor

(16:25) Tesla, brand loyalty, and shareholder activism

(22:57) How sovereign wealth funds invest for generations

(28:57) Inside asset managers and their incentives

(41:56) Activist investors and the tension between short and long term

If you want to understand the real power dynamics behind modern investing, from Reddit traders to trillion-dollar endowments, don’t miss this episode.

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How Money Moves Through Markets

#649: Many first-time buyers feel like they’re watching the train pull out of the station. If you’ve saved for years but can’t afford a home nearby, should you stretch to buy further (maybe hours) away or invest that cash instead?

In this episode, we dig into the psychology, math, and lifestyle tradeoffs behind the “buy now or wait” dilemma. Plus, we unpack total return, explain when umbrella insurance is worth it, and share what every teen should learn about money.

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Listener Questions in This Episode

Anonymous (aka “Lydia”) (3:26): ”I saved six figures for a down payment, but houses are still out of reach. Do I buy far away, rent forever, or invest the cash instead?”

Lydia, an Australian listener, spent eight years saving for a home, only to find that every option feels like a compromise. Sky-high prices close to work, or long commutes for affordability. It’s a dilemma many face: does owning mean freedom, or does it just tie you down?

We explore how to separate fear from opportunity, why “starter-home-turned-rental” plans often backfire, and how to measure the real cost of lost time when you move hours from work. Ultimately, it’s about aligning your money with your life, not the headlines.

Anonymous (aka “Aristotle”) (29:38): “My ETF is up 10% and yields 3%. Is my net return 13%?”

It’s a common question for anyone tracking their investments. We unpack the difference between total return and your personal rate of return, and why those two numbers rarely match. You’ll learn what actually drives performance, and how to read your brokerage dashboard like a pro.

Joel (39:44): “Umbrella insurance; do we need it and how much?”

If you own a home, drive a car, or rent out a property, you’re exposed to more liability than you might realize. We break down how umbrella insurance works, when it’s essential, and how much coverage makes sense. It’s one of the cheapest ways to protect your wealth.

Julia (56:13): “I’m building a high-school personal finance course. Should I cover insurance or credit?”

When teaching teenagers about money, where do you start? We explore why understanding decision-making (opportunity cost, compounding, and spotting bad financial advice) matters more than memorizing credit scores or insurance terms.

Key Takeaways

 Don’t buy from FOMO; let lifestyle goals—not market panic—drive your choices.

 Total return includes price changes and income, but your broker’s “personal rate of return” shows the truest number.

 Umbrella insurance offers millions in protection for relatively little cost; bundle it with home and auto.

 Teach teens the “why” behind money choices before the “what.” Understanding tradeoffs beats memorizing rules.

Chapters

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(4:14) Anonymous Lydia’s question: should I buy now or invest my down payment?

(8:23) The emotional trap of FOMO and rising prices

(11:45) Why “live there now, rent it later” rarely works

(22:14) The hidden cost of long commutes and lifestyle tradeoffs

(29:38) Anonymous Aristotle’s question: how do I calculate my true investment return?

(39:44) Joel’s question: Is umbrella insurance worth it and how much should I buy?

(56:13) Julia’s question: what high schoolers should learn first about money

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Q&A: Should You Buy a House Now or Invest Your Down Payment Instead?

#648: The U.S. government is shutting down. Bitcoin just hit a record high. Inflation whispers are back. And Wall Street is buzzing with speculation.

What does this all mean for your money, your portfolio, and your long-term financial freedom? On this First Friday episode, we unpack the economic headlines you can’t ignore — and help you separate signal from noise.

In this episode, we cover:

 Government Shutdown: What happens when Washington goes dark, and how it could ripple into the markets, interest rates, and your daily life

 Bitcoin at Record Highs: Why crypto is rallying, what history tells us about speculative manias, and whether this time might be different

 Jobs Report and Inflation Watch: The latest labor market data, its implications for the Fed, and how it could shape borrowing costs

 Investor Behavior in Uncertainty: Why volatility can make us overreact, and how to stay grounded in your long-term strategy

Key Takeaways

 Government shutdowns create noise, but historically their long-term market impact is minimal

 Bitcoin’s surge reflects both speculation and broader demand for decentralized assets — but extreme volatility remains

 The labor market remains resilient, keeping inflation risks on the radar and Fed policy in focus

 Emotional investing is costly: staying calm during uncertainty is one of the best ways to protect your wealth.

This month’s headlines feel dramatic — shutdowns, soaring crypto, inflation fears. But the timeless principles of money management still apply: diversify, stay disciplined, and don’t let headlines dictate your portfolio.

Key moments:

(00:00) Jobs Reporting from ADP

(08:28) Interest Rates and Mortgages

(18:07) Social Security Age

(25:36) Consumer Spending and Inflation

(31:56) Bitcoin and Gold reach new highs

(34:31) Quarterly Reporting for Publicly Traded Companies may go to twice-a-year

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First Friday: The Government Shuts Down -- But Bitcoin is at an All-Time High?!?

#647: What if you and your partner want to take a few months – or even a year – off work? 

How do you handle health insurance once you leave your jobs? 

And how do you make sure the time off isn’t wasted, but becomes a launchpad for what’s next?

In this week’s Q&A, we dive into those questions. 

We also cover three more listener questions: what to do with a leftover $125,000 in a 529 account, how one listener landed a fully remote job with a 30 percent raise, and whether you can amend your taxes after a FEMA-declared disaster.

Listener Questions:

Danielle (04:35): “We want a mini-retirement. What should we do about health insurance – and how can we make the most of the time off?” Danielle and her husband want a break, but don’t want to go uninsured, and they also don't want to squander their mini-retirement. We look at what happens when you leave a job, where to find coverage, and how to design a mini-retirement that sparks discovery instead of regret.

Lee (32:17): “We have $125,000 left in a 529 account. No one needs it for school. What should we do?”A six-figure leftover balance sounds great, but it comes with tricky rules. Can you roll it into a Roth IRA? Use it for other programs? Withdraw without a tax hit? We explore the surprising flexibility inside a 529.

Pedro (44:06): “I followed your job search advice – and just landed a new role!”Pedro once struggled with dead-end applications. Now he’s celebrating a fully remote job, a big raise, and better alignment. How did he do it? By targeting the intersection of his skills and industry, instead of casting a wide net.

Melanie (53:35): “I spent $45,000 after a FEMA-declared disaster. Later, Congress passed retroactive tax relief. Can I benefit?”Disaster tax relief is confusing, especially when laws apply after the fact. Melanie asks if she can amend her return to capture new benefits. We talk timelines, amended return rules, and why professional help matters.

Timestamps:

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Key Highlights

 
How to get health insurance during a mini-retirement.

 
Why treating time off as a “science experiment” can reshape your career.

 
Smart options for a leftover 529 account (including new Roth IRA rollovers).

 
A real listener’s success story: from stalled applications to a remote job with a 30% raise.

 
What to know about amended returns for FEMA-declared disasters.

Resources

Pedro's original question on Episode 605

Healthcare.gov — ACA marketplace for insurance enrollment

The Power of Fun by Catherine Price

Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport

Freedom app — tool for blocking distractions

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Q&A: How Do You Maximize a Mini-Retirement?

#646: What if you didn’t have to choose between grinding full-time until retirement or quitting work altogether?

By 40, Andy Hill and his wife had built a $500,000 portfolio and paid off their home. Instead of racing toward early retirement, they chose a third way: scaling back to part-time work, becoming equal partners in parenting, and reclaiming their time.

In this episode, recorded live at FinCon, Andy shares his 10-step framework for building a “Coast FIRE” lifestyle — where your investments can coast toward retirement while you focus on living today.

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The Middle Path Beyond FIRE

Most of us think of retirement as a cliff: one day you’re working, the next day you’re not. Andy challenges that binary. He and his wife structured their careers to work 20–25 hours per week each, creating a rhythm that gave them more time with their children, each other, and their health.

He breaks down the mindset shifts and tactical steps — from eliminating debt and protecting your family with insurance to stockpiling FU money and designing a three-day workweek. Along the way, he explains how Coast FIRE frees you from mandatory retirement contributions and opens doors to a flexible, meaningful life.

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Key Takeaways:

Balance beats extremes. Neither full-time grind nor full-time stay-at-home felt right; designing a flexible, part-time work life created the equilibrium their family needed.

Cash buffers change behavior. A 3–6 month emergency fund reduces stress and scarcity thinking, making it easier to parent calmly and make better money decisions.

Choose time over trappings. Fancy upgrades aren’t worth trading away presence; prioritizing family time beats lifestyle escalation.

Resources mentioned:

 Andy Hill's book on Amazon: Own Your Time

 Marriage, Kids, and Money Podcast

(4:01) Why the shift

(5:35) What their life looks like now

(9:08) Why extremes didn’t work for Andy and Nicole

(14:45) Step 1 Dream and define your ideal life

(18:21) Step 2 Commit to living without high-interest debt

(20:38) Step 3 Protect your family (insurance, estate plan, emergency fund)

(27:04) Step 4 Invest to reach Coast FIRE

(30:29) Step 5 Pay off your home (or optimize if renting

(36:21) Step 6 Stockpile FU money

(47:53) Step 7 Design a three-day workweek

(57:02) Step 8 Plan your intentional four-day weekend

(1:02:39) Step 9 Simplify to avoid lifestyle creep

(1:08:56) Step 10 Teach your kids the path to time freedom

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The Third Option Between Working and Retiring

#645: 

Mike (02:50): After 15 years of intentional living, Mike is 80 percent of the way to financial independence. Now he’s trying to help friends take control of their own financial future. But what happens when one spouse is eager to learn and invest, while the other isn’t interested?

Michael (27:07): For two years, Michael has tracked his net worth monthly. So far, growth has been driven almost entirely by how much he saved. But when will investment returns begin to take over and shift that steady line into an exponential curve?

Alvaro (34:00): After 15 years of investing in U.S. and European real estate, Alvaro has a big decision to make. Should he leverage a commercial loan to build an ADU for short-term rental income, or take on more personal debt to expand their family home?

Jonathan (58:50): After hearing Paula and Joe discuss the efficient frontier — and then listening to Big ERN, Paul Merriman, and JL Collins — Jonathan can’t help but wonder: has Joe’s perspective evolved? Is the simple path still enough, or is there merit in a more complex approach?

Former financial planner Joe Saul-Sehy and I tackle these three questions in today’s episode.

Enjoy!

P.S. Got a question? Leave it ⁠here⁠.

Resources Mentioned:

JL Collins Part 1 and Part 2

Karsten Jeske (Big Ern) Episode 643

Paul Merriman Episode 550

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Q&A: My Friend Won’t Invest - How Can I Help?

#644: Why do we both crave money and resent it? Why do some people sabotage their financial futures in the name of short-term comfort? And why is your brain — not the stock market — the biggest threat to your wealth?

In this conversation, we explore the surprising ways that psychology and money intertwine. Our guest, Dr. Daniel Crosby, is a behavioral finance expert, psychologist, and bestselling author of The Soul of Wealth, The Behavioral Investor, and The Laws of Wealth. His research dives into how our emotions, childhood scripts, and personalities shape the financial decisions we make every day.

Dr. Crosby shares why investing is an act of optimism, why income matters more than coupon clipping, and how our spending reveals truths about who we really are — even when we don’t realize it..

Key Takeaways

 
Money is a mirror. The way you earn and spend reflects your real values, not just your stated ones. Tracking your money reveals gaps between who you say you are and how you actually live.

 
Income drives wealth. Frugality matters, but once the basics are handled, your long-term financial future is determined more by growing your income than by cutting costs.

 
Short-term comfort is costly. The biggest threat to your wealth isn’t the market — it’s the temptation to prioritize momentary relief (panic-selling, stress spending) over your long-term goals.

Resources & Links

 
Dr. Daniel Crosby on LinkedIn

 
Standard Deviations Podcast

 
Books by Dr. Crosby:

 
The Soul of Wealth

 
The Laws of Wealth

 
The Behavioral Investor

 
Personal Benchmark

Closing

This episode reminds us that building wealth isn’t just about math — it’s about mindset. The markets may fluctuate, but the greatest risks and rewards often lie within our own psychology.

If you enjoyed this conversation, share it with a friend, subscribe to our newsletter at affordanything.com/newsletter, and connect with our community at affordanything.com/community.

You can afford anything, but not everything. Choose wisely.

Timestamps:

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(03:24) Does money really buy happiness? Rethinking the $75k income myth.

(08:48) Our conflicted relationship with money: Love, resentment, and the paradox of wealth.

(10:32) Childhood money scripts: How early beliefs still drive adult financial behavior.

(16:10) Personality traits & money outcomes: Why agreeableness and neuroticism matter.

(24:15) Investing as an act of optimism: Human progress, markets, and long-term growth.

(30:39) AI, work, and the future of wealth: Why EQ may outpace IQ in tomorrow’s economy.

(39:46) Habits vs. willpower: Why automation and environment beat discipline.

(44:28) Frictionless spending: How Apple Pay and subscriptions fuel overspending.

(47:32) Offense vs. defense in wealth: Why income matters more than extreme frugality.

(1:03:16) Chronic vs. episodic mistakes: Small leaks, lost compounding, and long-term damage.

(1:06:24) The pre-mortem exercise: A Stoic-inspired tool to prevent financial failure.

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The Hidden Psychology Behind Every Financial Decision You Make with Dr. Daniel Crosby

#643: Picture this: you're at the Federal Reserve years ago. The chairman literally hangs up a conference call, waits 30 minutes, then calls back — suddenly everyone agrees on the rate decision. 

That's the kind of insider story Karsten Jeske (“Big ERN”) shares when he joins us to break down what's happening with the economy right now.

Karsten worked at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta for eight years, then spent a decade on Wall Street at Bank of New York Mellon. 

Today he runs the popular Early Retirement Now website, where he applies his economist background to help people understand money and markets.

You'll hear Karsten explain why the Fed is about to start cutting interest rates. The futures markets are pricing in a 90 percent chance of a quarter-point cut, with more cuts likely through the end of the year. 

But why? After all, inflation just ticked up in the latest CPI report, yet the Fed is still planning to lower rates.

We dive into how this affects real people. If you're thinking about buying or selling a house, Karsten suggests acting sooner rather than later. 

He explains the "buy the rumor, sell the news" principle – the bond market may have already priced in the good news about rate cuts, so waiting might not help you.

The conversation covers some surprising economics too. Did you know that high interest rates can actually cause housing inflation? 

When mortgage rates are expensive, fewer people build new homes, which drives up prices. It's the opposite of what most people think happens.

Karsten walks through the recent jobs report revisions that caught everyone off guard. The government had to subtract nearly a million jobs from their previous estimates. He explains how this happens – it's not that officials are making up numbers, but tracking new businesses is genuinely hard to do in real time.

You'll also learn about two Fed tools most people haven't heard of: the dot plot and R-star. The dot plot shows where Fed officials think interest rates should go over time. R-star represents the theoretical perfect interest rate when the economy has no problems — currently around 3 percent.

The interview wraps up with Carsten's take on Fed culture. The consensus-building era under Greenspan is giving way to more dissenting votes, which actually makes the central bank more like it was decades ago under Paul Volcker.

Enjoy!

Timestamps:

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(1:04) Carsten’s career path from Fed to Wall Street

(1:57) Current economic growth limbo state

(4:04) GDP formula and tariff impacts

(5:10) Trade efficiency and comparative advantage

(6:04) Supply chain threats from protectionism

(8:20) Fed meeting and rate cut expectations

(9:35) Market pricing in multiple rate cuts

(12:19) Real estate timing and mortgage rates

(13:55) How Fed rates affect treasury yields

(18:50) Buy the rumor, sell the news strategy

(22:13) Fed transparency and decision telegraphing

(25:56) Fed consensus culture versus dissent

(30:48) CPI data shows inflation ticking up

(34:32) Transitory versus persistent inflation confusion

(38:56) Fed behind the curve on rate cuts

(40:00) Major jobs report revisions explained

(44:24) Methodological issues with new business tracking

(46:00) Dot plot and R-star concepts explained

(52:29) Bond allocation strategies by age

(57:25) Current bond yields look attractive

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LIVESTREAM: A Former Fed Economist Reveals What's Really Happening, with Karsten Jeske (“Big ERN”)

#504: Brian Kelly faced a harsh reality during the Great Recession – $65,000 in income and crushing credit card debt. 

He started a simple side hustle, a website called The Points Guy, as an attempt to earn a few hundred dollars a month. 

Fast forward to today: The Points Guy boasts 11 million monthly visitors and a thriving team of 140 employees. 

In this episode, Brian pulls back the curtain on his incredible journey, transforming a fledgling side hustle into a multimillion-dollar enterprise. 

He also shares his signature expertise – the art of redeeming airline miles and points – empowering you to travel smarter.

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The Points Guy: Growing a Side Hustle into a 140-Person Business

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