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BibleProject Podcast

The creators of BibleProject have in-depth conversations about the Bible and theology. A companion podcast to BibleProject videos found at bibleproject.com

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The Wilderness E7 — By the time we get to the Prophets in the Hebrew Bible, the meaning of the wilderness is well established. It’s a desolate, dangerous place where humans can’t survive. And it’s a place where God meets with his people to reform their character and deepen their trust in him. But Israel’s prophets remix the meaning and imagery of the wilderness in surprising ways that prepare us for the story of Jesus. In this episode, Jon and Tim explore the wilderness in Hosea, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, discovering unique portraits of a prison, romance, tragedy, and promise of a new heart.

CHAPTERS

 1. Recap of the Theme and Setup for the Prophets (0:00-16:07)
 2. Hosea’s Wilderness as Containment and Reformation (16:07-27:40)
 3. Jeremiah’s Romance and Ezekiel’s Tragedy in the Wilderness (27:40-49:58)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Purple Clouds ft. Marc Vanparla” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Selah ft. Bobcat” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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The Wilderness Remixed in Israel’s Prophets

The Wilderness E6 — In the Genesis and Exodus wilderness stories, God is present with his people, testing them and teaching them to listen to his voice. Most of the people fail to trust God there, but finally, in 1 Samuel, we meet a character who can succeed in the desolate place, David. In this episode, Jon and Tim explore David’s wilderness stories in 1 Samuel 24-26, finding a human who will trust God for provision and listen to his voice.

CHAPTERS

 1. Recap of the Theme and Setup for David (0:00-17:00)
 2. David’s Successes and Tests in the Wilderness (17:00-32:00)
 3. David’s Test With Nabal and Abigail (32:00-43:58)
 4. Abigail Saves the Day (43:58-1:05:12)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Walk In The City ft. Me & The Boys” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Redeemables” by Lofi Sunday, Yoni Charis
 • “Peace With You ft. Oly.Lo” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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David Finds Refuge in the Wilderness

The Wilderness E5 — After 40 years of wandering in the wilderness, Moses and the second generation of Israelites stand at the border of the promised land. What does Moses say about the purpose of their time in the wilderness, and what do they need to remember about it when they’re in the garden land? In this episode, Jon and Tim look at Deuteronomy 8 and the hard lessons of the wilderness that can help the people flourish in the promised land.

CHAPTERS

 1. Summary and Recap of Theme (0:00-11:26)
 2. Why Adam and Eve Can’t Stay in the Garden (11:26-23:07)
 3. The Purpose of 40 Years in the Wilderness (23:07-41:58)
 4. The Wilderness Is the Truth (41:58-1:05:28)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • In chapter 2, Jon and Tim discuss the Divine Council and Genesis 3:22. For more on this topic, check out our 
God and Spiritual Beings series • .
A Severe Mercy • by Sheldon Vanauken
 • In chapter 3, Tim references our 
Deuteronomy Scroll series • .
 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Coffee Under The Palm Tree” by Lofi Sunday, Zairis TéJion
 • “Gentle Lamb” by Lofi Sunday, Yoni Charis
 • “Pleasant Places” by Lofi Sunday, Yoni Charis
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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Lessons From the Wilderness for the Garden Land

The Wilderness E4 — After God delivers the Israelites out of Egypt, he tells Moses to lead them to the promised land—through the wilderness. This is perplexing because a much shorter, safer route existed along the coast. So why does God lead his people along the longer, harder way? In this episode, Jon and Tim explore Israel’s wilderness tests, reflecting on God’s plan to create a new people through a relationship of radical trust and dependence.

CHAPTERS

 1. Recap and Setup for the Israelites in the Wilderness (0:00-10:05)
 2. God’s Intentional Path Into the Wilderness (10:05-27:11)
 3. Three Wilderness Tests in Exodus (27:11-47:28)
 4. Seven Wilderness Tests in Numbers (47:28-1:02:23)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Blue Sky ft. TBabz” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Mist Of Blessing ft. Marc Vanparla” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Chilling In London” by Lofi Sunday, Just Derrick
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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Why Does God Lead Israel Into the Wilderness?

The Wilderness E3 — In the Bible, the wilderness is a hostile, dangerous place where humans can’t survive. Because of this, the wilderness also reminds us that we all live on the precipice of life and death, and our survival depends on the one who is greater than us. The Bible’s earliest wilderness stories depict humans finding themselves in this setting due to their own foolish choices or the foolish choices of others. In this episode, Jon and Tim look at the wilderness stories of Adam and Eve, Hagar, and Moses, highlighting how God responds with surprising compassion.

CHAPTERS

 1. Recap and Setup for Today’s Stories (0:00-11:36)
 2. Adam and Eve Exiled Into the Wilderness (11:36-20:31)
 3. Hagar Flees From Abraham and Sarah Into the Wilderness (20:31-45:13)
 4. Moses Flees From Pharaoh Into the Wilderness (45:13-1:08:15)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • Tim references an episode from The Exodus Way series about Abraham and Hagar. You can find that episode here: 
How Did Israel End Up in Egypt? • For more on the seven women in Exodus, check out our Scholarship Team’s article, “
7 Powerful Women in the Bible Who Help Rescue God's People • .”
 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Beach Chilling” by Lofi Sunday, Just Derrick
 • “Blissful Thoughts ft. TBabz” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Grey ft. PAINT WITH SOUND.” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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How Do People End Up in the Wilderness?

The Wilderness E2 — In the Bible, the wilderness is an uninhabitable, hostile place for human life. And in the creation narratives of Genesis 1 and 2, the wilderness symbolically represents the chaos of a pre-creation state. In this episode, Jon and Tim explore the wilderness language in the creation narrative and how it contrasts with Eden, God’s oasis of beauty, order, and abundance.

CHAPTERS

 1. Recap on the Meaning of the Wilderness (0:00-9:16)
 2. Pre-Creation Wilderness and the Eden Oasis (9:16-40:27)
 3. Wilderness and Eden Imagery in the Prophets (40:27-57:32)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here. • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .

SHOW MUSIC

 • “Break Bread” by Lofi Sunday, Oly.Lo
 • “Refuge ft. Just Derrick” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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The Wilderness of the Sea

The Wilderness E1 — This year, we are looking at themes that play a prominent role in the Exodus story. And today, we’re starting a new series on the theme of the wilderness. The wilderness is a setting that shows up constantly in the Bible, and it mainly represents a hostile, barren place where humans can’t survive. So why does God repeatedly lead his people through it? In this episode, Jon and Tim introduce the theme and discuss how the biblical authors portray the wilderness as a place of testing, character formation, and even an Eden-like refuge.

CHAPTERS

 1. The Breadth and Meaning of the Wilderness in the Bible (0:00-12:30)
 2. A Place Hostile for Human Life (12:30-30:35)
 3. A Place of Testing and Refuge (30:35-47:09)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • Tim alludes to this past episode about the function of settings in the Bible: 
Setting in Biblical Narrative • from our 
How to Read the Bible • series.
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here. • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .

SHOW MUSIC

 • “Pearly Gates ft. Isaac Wheadon” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Sunrise ft. Jk Beatbook” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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The Worst, Best Place to Be in the Bible

Redemption Q+R (E12) — Is deliverance from evil spirits a redemption from the evil one over to God’s possession? Was God demanding a redemption payment through Jesus’ death? And are salvation and redemption basically the same thing? In this episode, Tim and Jon respond to your questions from our Redemption series. Thank you to our audience for your thoughtful contributions to this episode!

View all of our resources for Redemption →

CHAPTERS

 1. Revisiting the Conversation of Redemption and Tackling Your Questions! (0:00-2:50)
 2. How does payment relate to redemption, and why does God demand a payment? (2:50-24:15)
 3. Why did Jesus’ death have to be such an awful, gruesome crucifixion? (24:15-36:12)
 4. When Jesus delivers a person possessed by an evil spirit, is this a redemption from the evil one over to God’s possession? (36:12-42:50)
 5. What does it mean to be saved, and is it the same as redemption? (42:50-55:09)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • When discussing Jesus’ redemption of people possessed by evil spirits, Tim references episode 7 of this series: 
How Does Jesus Redeem People? • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

BibleProject theme song by TENTS 

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie.

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Did Jesus’ Death Have to Be a Gruesome Crucifixion?

Redemption Hyperlink Episode (E11) — There are so many themes in the Bible, from redemption to exile, to mountains and cities. In every series, we attempt to isolate and study one biblical theme. But it’s important to remember that biblical themes are woven together throughout the Bible like instruments in a symphony. Today in this hyperlink episode, we’ll listen to clips from previous podcast series where the theme of redemption also came up in Jon and Tim’s conversations.

View all of our resources for Redemption →

CHAPTERS 

 1. Redemption and the Day of Atonement (0:00-30:24)
 2. Redeeming the Time (30:24-38:20)
 3. Redemption From the Grave (38:20-50:24)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • Clip 1 is from “
What Is the Day of Atonement? • ,” episode 6 in our 2022 series, Leviticus Scroll.
The Mythic Mind • by Nicolas Wyatt
Sin, Impurity, Sacrifice, Atonement: The Priestly Conceptions • by Jay Sklar
Cult and Character: Purification Offerings, Day of Atonement, and Theodicy • by Roy Gane
 • Clip 2 is from “
Poetry Q+R • ,” episode 22 in our 2018 series How To Read the Bible.
 • Clip 3 is from “
What Happens After We Die? • ,” episode 3 in our 2017 series, 
Nephesh • / Soul.
Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church • by N.T. Wright
 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Eucalyptus ft. Eluzai” by Lofi Sunday
 • “Solace ft. ahmo” by Lofi Sunday
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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Earlier Explorations of Redemption

Redemption E10 — We’ve made it to the end of our series on redemption, where we’ll look at two last examples of redemption in the New Testament. When Jesus redeemed us from sin and death, did he pay a redemption price, and how does his redemption relate to the Torah’s sacrificial system? In this episode, Jon and Tim explore 1 Peter 1 and Hebrews 9, which connect Jesus’ redemption to sacrifices at the center of Passover and the Day of Atonement. 

CHAPTERS

 1. Series Recap of Redemption (0:00-18:04)
 2. Redeemed by the Blood in 1 Peter 1 (18:04-32:46)
 3. An Eternal Redemption in Hebrews 9 (32:46-55:27)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

View this episode’s official transcript.

REFERENCED RESOURCES

 • Check out our 
Leviticus Scroll • series.
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe • by C.S. Lewis
 • You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .
 • Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books 
here.
SHOW MUSIC

 • “Enveloped In Love” by Lofi Sunday, Yoni Charis
 • “Faith (Mustard Seed)” by Lofi Sunday, Zairis TéJion
 • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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An Eternal Redemption

Which ancient Israelite laws still apply today and which don’t? Should the law be divided into moral, civil, and ceremonial categories? And why did Jesus quote Deuteronomy when Satan tempted him? In this episode, Tim and Jon respond to audience questions about the Deuteronomy scroll. Thanks to our incredible audience for your questions.

View full show notes from this episode →

Timestamps 

 • Which Laws Still Apply and Which Don’t? (1:30)
 • Can Laws Be Categorized as Moral, Civil, and Ceremonial Rules? (12:52) 
 • Were Jesus and His Disciples Considered Sojourners Under the Law? (22:47)
 • Why Did Jesus Quote Deuteronomy When Satan Tempted Him? (27:55)
 • How Did Jesus Connect Idolatry and Adultery? (33:38)
 • Did the Prophets Really Use Moses’ Song to Confront People? (37:48)
 • How Many Covenants Did Yahweh Make with Israel? (44:38)

Referenced Resources

Old Testament Ethics for the People of God • , Christopher J. H. Wright
John H. Sailhamer • Interested in more? Check out 
Tim’s library here. • You can experience the literary themes and movements we’re tracing on the podcast in the BibleProject app, available for 
Android • and 
iOS • .

Show Music 

 • “Defender (Instrumental)” by TENTS

Show produced by Cooper Peltz with Associate Producer Lindsey Ponder. Edited by Dan Gummel, Tyler Bailey, and Frank Garza. Podcast annotations for the BibleProject app by Hannah Woo. Audience questions compiled by Christopher Maier.

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Which Laws Still Apply? – Deuteronomy Scroll Q+R

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