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Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.

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In this episode, Eric and Neil reflect on what they wish they’d done differently in their 2024 marketing strategies. They share candid lessons on outbound marketing, messaging pivots, and collaboration tactics that brought real results. Learn why doubling down on outbound email, revising your messaging early, and leveraging webinars, influencer partnerships, and podcasts can significantly impact growth. Plus, hear about the opportunities they missed—and how you can avoid the same mistakes.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) What we wish we’d doubled down on in 2024

(06:30) The outbound process: gift cards, subdomains, and deliverability

(14:00) Messaging mistakes and shifting to search everywhere optimization

(20:00) Influence partners, paid speaking, and why collaboration matters

(27:00) Why missed opportunities fuel next year’s marketing strategy

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe

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Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

7 unorthodox things we'd do with our marketing, if we had to go back in time

In this episode, Eric and Neil debate the future of SEO terminology, covering GEO, AI SEO, AEO, and Search Everywhere Optimization. They reveal why client language trumps industry jargon, unpack insights from recent conferences, and share the real drivers of visibility across platforms like YouTube, Reddit, and Google. Hear lessons on adapting to client needs, optimizing for relevance, and why wasting marketing budgets on the wrong audiences is a costly mistake.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) GEO vs. AEO vs. AI SEO: why client language wins

(06:30) How platforms like YouTube and Reddit define search relevance

(13:00) Lessons from failing and succeeding with podcasts

(19:20) Why pointless billboards are a money pit

(25:00) The challenge of driving change in large organizations

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe

Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/

Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

GEO, SEO, AI SEO, AEO… Which One Will Win?

In this episode, Eric and Neil dive into the intersection of high-performance leadership and AI-driven marketing. They unpack the “Nobody cares, just coach” mindset, how elite teams bring solutions not complaints, and why systems should evolve like an F1 pit crew. The duo also explore lower middle market private equity lessons, AI-powered SDRs, and how AEO and AI agents are redefining SEO careers. This is a practical playbook for agency owners, marketers, and operators who lead through change.

Key Takeaways

● Leadership mantra: nobody cares, just execute
● AEO and AI SEO demand rapid adaptation
● A-players + AI outperform average teams

Timestamps

(00:00) Nobody cares—just do the job
(03:40) F1 pit crew systems and team upgrades
(08:30) PE time horizons and owner decisions
(12:30) AI SDRs vs human SDRs
(13:40) AEO and AI SEO evolution

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

Legendary NFL Owner to Coach — Nobody Cares

In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack how speed, brand, and switching costs form modern startup moats in an era where insights depreciate fast. Drawing from Garry Tan’s “moat is a verb” concept and real-world case studies, they explain how execution speed compounds advantage, why AI shifts moat dynamics, and how founders can turn speed into durable defensibility through process power, brand, and network effects.

Key takeaways

 • Speed is a moat when insights fade fast • Brand and switching costs still compound • Execution speed amplifies defensibility

TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Moats explained and Buffett context (01:50) Depreciating insights in AI (04:55) Brand moat debate and switching costs (07:20) Microsoft Teams case study (16:56) Global expansion lessons and wrap

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

A Moat Is Not A Noun. It's A Verb.

In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack Jeff Bezos’s $1 trillion “release the work” framework—how pacing ideas boosts throughput and prevents team overload. They dive into Bezos’s barrels-and-ammo model, smart acquisition filters, rapid due-diligence questions, and BATNA negotiation tactics. Plus, insights on AI shopping surfacing indie brands, the ChatGPT apps opportunity, and whether Google or Microsoft is the Berkshire of tech. A tactical guide for operators who want speed without chaos.

Key takeaways ● Bezos framework: pace ideas to cut WIP and raise output ● Smarter M&A: use BATNA and focused diligence ● Early AI movers capture distribution

TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Bezos $1T framework explained (01:15) Pacing ideas and backlog management (04:43) When acquisitions become distractions (07:59) BATNA and diligence checklist (08:54) AI shopping + ChatGPT app opportunities (15:41) Google vs. Microsoft as Berkshire debate

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribeUbersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Bezos' One Profound Insight That Made Amazon a Trillion Dollar Company

In this episode, Eric and Neil unpack skip-level leadership and when founders should step in versus step back. They explore “focused involvement” as a leadership edge, compare international expansion with acquisitions, and dive into how chaos tolerance and incentives shape culture. The duo also discuss Amazon’s hit-rate mindset, micro-ops wins, and how to balance control with growth across teams.

Key takeaways
● Focused involvement beats hands-off leadership
● Use skip-levels for truth and speed
● Reward competence with aligned incentives

TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Founder skip-level question
(02:50) Hands-on where it matters
(04:37) International expansion vs M&A
(11:00) Amazon hit-rate mindset
(16:46) Incentives and culture fit

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Why hire people and get out of their way is BS Business Advice

In this episode, Eric and Neil unpack the death of the corporate job and the hidden economy of nonsense. They discuss how corporate bloat, AI automation, and shifting job data reveal the end of traditional roles — and what that means for modern marketers. The duo explores AI-powered agentic workflows, smart micromanagement, burnout myths, and how founders can scale without losing momentum. Plus, why “riches in niches” often stalls growth and how to build compounding products that win long-term.

Key takeaways
● Lean operators thrive as AI reshapes corporate work
● Agentic AI tools outperform slide decks and theory
● Micromanage risk, not weaknesses

TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Death of the corporate job
(01:36) Corporate bloat and doc culture
(02:37) What ADP’s job data signals
(03:37) Agencies vs. AI agents
(06:18) Micromanagement as a tool

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

Why Corporate Jobs Are Quietly Collapsing

In this episode, Eric and Neil discuss proven B2B attribution strategies, highlighting why the obsession with perfect multi-touch tracking misses the bigger picture. They explain the benefits of blended CAC, layering conversion pixels, UTM tracking, and the value (and limits) of “How did you hear about us” forms. Also covered are surprising traffic insights around ChatGPT referrals, lessons from HubSpot Inbound 2024, and why simplifying talks beats technical deep-dives. Finally, they reflect on wealth, personal fulfillment, and how the definition of luxury shifts as your career evolves.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Realities of B2B marketing attribution

(05:00) Is ChatGPT a real traffic driver or hype?

(10:00) HubSpot event lessons: simplification beats technical depth

(15:00) The shifting meaning of luxury and wealth for entrepreneurs

(20:00) Why money matters, but relationships matter more

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS 

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial 

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES 

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe 

Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ 

Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

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How To Get B2B Attribution Right The Easy Way

In this episode, Eric and Neil dive into the current state of the AI market, debating whether AI—and especially AI stocks—are in a bubble or represent lasting value. They analyze major players like Nvidia, explore the hype vs. substance in AI startups, and discuss how real revenue and fundamental adoption differentiate lasting winners. The conversation also covers shifting dynamics in SEO, the influence of Reddit on AI training data, and why proper attribution in marketing is harder than ever for brands and investors alike.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Are AI stocks in a bubble? Nvidia, valuations, and market comparisons

(07:30) Hype vs. lasting value: How to spot AI companies with real staying power

(13:45) Venture investing, early-stage wins, and new challenges for angels

(20:00) The Reddit effect: LLM training, SEO hacks, and content quality concerns

(26:15) Attribution woes: Why tracking SEO ROI is harder than ever

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS 

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial 

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

FREE RESOURCES 

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe 

Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ 

Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

Is AI in a Bubble Right Now?

In this episode, Neil and Eric tackle whether AI is making us dumber and what that means for the next generation of marketers. They discuss falling literacy and math scores, why kids need strong critical thinking before using AI, and how agentic workflows change marketing team structures. You’ll hear practical insights on balancing AI and human creativity, plus why real traction and case studies still win clients in an AI-driven world.

Timestamps
(00:00) Is AI making us dumber?
(01:00) Reading and math scores in decline
(03:00) Building intelligence before using AI
(07:00) Agentic workflows and marketing headcount
(10:00) Real-world ROI: case studies, tools, and team balance

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

📩 Free Resources
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

AI Is Making You Dumber (study)

In this episode #2988, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss how ChatGPT is changing user behavior and conversion rates compared to Google. They explore the rise of AI assistants in search, the cost efficiency of AI tools, and the need for AI fluency and cultural shifts within organizations. The episode wraps with insights on Google’s recent workforce changes and strategic moves in the AI era.

TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES

(00:00) ChatGPT vs Google: Conversion Rates and User Behavior

(02:57) The Evolution of Search: AI Assistants and Analytics

(05:58) Cost Efficiency in AI: The Future of User Services

(08:56) AI Fluency in Organizations: Embracing Change

(11:58) Cultural Shifts: Adapting to AI in the Workplace

(18:11) Google's Workforce Changes: Buyouts and Future Directions

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