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The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of one-on-one interviews featuring candid conversations with women and non-binary individuals. Host, Amanda de Cadenet , provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on topics that need to be addressed right now. Each week, these incredible guests share their personal journeys,the insights they’ve gained and often hard lessons they’ve learned along the way. 

 Past guests include: Alicia Keys, Lady Gaga, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Zoe Saldana, Gwyneth Paltrow, Sarah Silverman, Elle Fanning, Kamala Harris and many more.

The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet

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Introducing: The Conversation: About The Men

Trigger Warning for our listeners - Please be advised that this episode talks about suicide.
 
Amanda welcomes New York Times bestselling author Sloane Crosley to The Conversation Podcast for a personal and thoughtful chat about loss and grief.
 
Sloane’s latest book, Grief is For People, shares her journey through loss after a personal robbery and a close friend’s suicide. Amanda and Sloane explore the impact and complexities of suicide and mourning. Through her unique storytelling, Sloane paints a vivid picture of the journey through grief, offering comfort, thought-provoking insights and even humor. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking solace, understanding, or guidance on navigating loss. Be advised the conversation addresses death by suicide.
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [8:53] Sloane shares one way she has changed for the better as a writer
 • [10:33] Sloane admits she would like to become more patient 
 • [12:33] Sloane shares one of her most emotionally painful experiences and how that translated into her book
 • [19:35] How do you make peace with someone taking their life
 • [29:43] Sloane talks about her reaction to the suicide and why the book resonates with people
 • [34:49] Sloane discusses her book 
Cult Classic • [41:00] Sloane says that having to be “the girl writing funny essays” is no longer serving her, and she answers a personal question about death
 • [51:13] Sloane tells about the best cake she ever ate and what her 80-year-old self would say to her today
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Everyone has a relationship with grief and loss, and everyone deals with and experiences them differently. 
 • The impact of suicide and loss is full of questions with no answers. 
 • The process of grief and loss is never easy. 
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
Grief is For People
Sloane Crosley's Website
Sloane Crosley's Books
Sloane Crosley on Twitter
Sloane Crosley on Facebook
 
 
 
About This Podcast:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics, from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet. Follow Amanda on Substack at amandadecadenet.substack.com.
 
 
 
BIOGRAPHY: 
 
SLOANE CROSLEY is the author of The New York Times bestselling books Grief Is for People, How Did You Get This Number, and I Was Told There’d Be Cake (a 2009 finalist for The Thurber Prize for American Humor). She is also the author of Look Alive Out There (a 2019 finalist for The Thurber Prize for American Humor) and the novels, Cult Classic and The Clasp, both of which have been optioned for film. She served as editor of The Best American Travel Writing series and is featured in The Library of America's 50 Funniest American Writers, The Best American Nonrequired Reading, Phillip Lopate’s The Contemporary American Essay and others. She was the inaugural columnist for The New York Times Op-Ed "Townies" series, a contributing editor at Interview Magazine, and a columnist for The Village Voice, Vanity Fair, The Independent, Black Book, Departures and The New York Observer. She is a contributing editor at Vanity Fair. She lives in New York City.

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Sloane Crosley: Grief is for People - The Impact of Loss and Grief

In this episode of The Conversation, best-selling author Anne Lamott talks about her newest book, Somehow: Thoughts on Love, her relationship with her son and grandson, and connects with Amanda on her earlier work, Bird by Bird, which greatly impacted Amanda’s sobriety journey. Anne addresses moments from her past when she unintentionally hurt others and offers insights into navigating tough moments. Additionally, Anne shares the impact and influence of her spiritual beliefs and the significance of self-love throughout the healing process. 
 
In This Episode: 
 
 • [2:38] Anne talks about the gift of sobriety
 • [11:15] Amanda talks about the hope the book 
Bird by Bird • gave her
 • [17:56] Anne discusses the context of her new book, 
Somehow: Thoughts on Love • , released on April 9th, 2024
 • [30:13] Anne describes her methods of connecting to her higher power and helpful sayings that relate to her sobriety mindset 
 • [34:44] Stories and personal life examples from Anne’s new book 
 • [44.24] Lessons Anne has learned from life’s mistakes
 • [47:09] Thoughts on recovery and how the earth is forgiveness school
 
Key Takeaways:
 
 • Anne Lamott’s journey includes making mistakes, writing, recovery, and self-love. 
 • We have the opportunity to determine our own paths, lean into forgiveness, and move forward. 
 
Biography: Anne Lamott is the author of twenty books, including the New York Times bestsellers Help, Thanks, Wow, Dusk, Night, Dawn, Traveling Mercies, and Bird by Bird, as well as seven novels. A recipient of a Guggenheim Fellowship and an inductee into the California Hall of Fame, she lives in Northern California with her family. 
 
Resources:
Amazon - Purchase the Book - Somehow: Thoughts on Love
Thoughts on Love Book and Tour 
Book Reporter - Website 
Anne Lamott on Instagram
Anne Lamott on Facebook 
Anne Lamott on X
 
About This Podcast:
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet. Follow Amanda on Substack at amandadecadenet.substack.com.
 
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Anne Lamott: Thoughts on Love, Sobriety, and Second Chances

Trigger Warning for our listeners - please be advised, this episode talks about suicide and eating disorders.
 
Amanda welcomes comedian, writer, producer, and host Nikki Glaser this week on The Conversation. Nikki shares her experiences in Hollywood, trauma, relationships, and insight on her new HBO special, Nikki Glaser: Someday You’ll Die. 
 
Amanda and Nikki speak with humor, compassion, and brutal honesty. Nikki opens up about her struggles with eating disorders, addiction, and the road to recovery. 
 
Nikki Glaser is a stand-up comedian, producer, actress, and television host. Just a week before releasing her HBO special, she received a standing ovation for her roast of Tom Brady on Netflix’s The Greatest of All Time: Tom Brady. She is known for her slice of life perspective on intimate topics, balancing humor with themes including sex, trauma, dating, and mental health.
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [1:57] Amanda and Nikki catch up on Nikki’s schedule and how she was one of the comedians on 
Netflix’s The Greatest of All Time: Tom Brady • .
 • [2:09] The story behind naming her special and composing the theme music. 
 • [4:50] Amanda talks about the series on death she’s working on, and Nikki discusses her thoughts on life after death and self-esteem.
 • [10:03] Shame, anorexia, substance abuse, and the pursuit of healing. 
 • [13:40] Nikki shares her aspirations for a healthier lifestyle, IFS and EMDR. [15:30] Feelings around the challenges of fame.
 • [17:24] Nikki talks about being a late bloomer, sex, and her boyfriend.
 • [19:14] Experiences with intimacy and vulnerability. 
 • [29:33] Decisions regarding motherhood and the evolving dynamics of friendships.
 • [33:11] Nikki and Amanda share how they grew up in a home with an alcoholic parent and talk about being uncomfortable with attention
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Nikki has been in a relationship with her boyfriend for 10 years and is open about her late-bloomer experiences with sex. Amanda and Nikki talk about honest communication in sex and relationships helping individuals navigate their own experiences.
 • The decision to have children is a personal one, and it's okay to not want to become a parent.
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
Nikki Glaser: "Someday You’ll Die" HBO Trailer
Nikki Glaser - Instagram
Nikki Glaser - Facebook
Nikki Glaser - Website
The Nikki Glaser Podcast on YouTube 
 
 
 
About This Podcast:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics, from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet. Follow Amanda on Substack at amandadecadenet.substack.com
 
 
 
BIOGRAPHY: 
 
For nearly two decades at clubs across the country, and as the host of three hit podcasts, Nikki Glaser has honed her shockingly honest, no-holds barred style of comedy, solidifying herself as one of the funniest voices in comedy today. 
 
Glaser is currently on the road with her global THE GOOD GIRL stand-up tour, which kicked off in January 2023 and will continue through September 2024. 
 
This Spring, Glaser premiered her highly anticipated second HBO comedy special. In July 2022, she headlined her first HBO comedy special, GOOD CLEAN FILTH, which was nominated for a Critics Choice Award for Best Comedy Special. 
 
In March 2021, Glaser launched THE NIKKI GLASER PODCAST for iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell’s Big Money Players Network, where she provides a fun and brutally honest look into pop-culture and her own personal life in weekly episodes. 
 
Nikki has multiple stand-up specials and late-night tv appearances in which she jokes about her most humiliating moments as a woman in the modern world. Nikki’s past and current struggles with anorexia, depression, and anxiety are fair game in both her stand-up, and in-depth interviews with THE HOWARD STERN SHOW, WTF with MARC MARON, CONAN O ́BRIEN NEEDS A FRIEND and THE JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE. She has become a complete open book on mic for the laughs and as the empowering voice for women that she yearned for as a confused adolescent. 

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Nikki Glaser: Sex, Death and Trauma

Amanda reunites with her friend, actress, writer, producer, and singer Billie Piper. They reminisce about their shared experiences and beginnings in the UK - where they both started their professional careers as teenagers. Their conversation includes Billie’s latest project, the Netflix movie Scoop, inspired by the infamous interview of Prince Andrew. Amanda and Billie discuss the complicated journey of parenthood, sharing insights on the challenges of raising children in today's world. From contrasting parenting styles to the delicate balance of co-parenting , Amanda and Billie reflect on the universal struggle to not "screw up" their kids. 
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [1:57] Amanda and Billie catch up after 20 years. They reflect on their public-facing careers and how life has changed for them. 
 • [13:09] Discussion of Billie’s accomplishments and discussion of 
I • 
Hate Suzie • [18:24] Discussion of Billie’s new move, 
Scoop • [24:00] Billie discusses her family, and Amanda and Billie discuss the various ways of parenting
 • [31:46] Co-parenting and not having your same values and gauging what is age-appropriate for your child
 • [39:31] Raising boys versus girls
 • [45:41] Billie talks about her future 
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Career paths, autonomy, and personal narratives
 • Making creative choices and being guided by your own interests
 • Parenting and life reflections 
 • Telling your own stories 
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
Billie Piper - Instagram
 
Billie Piper - Website
 
Official Teaser - SCOOP - Netflix
 
 
 
BIOGRAPHY: 
 
Billie Piper is an Olivier Award-winning actress, singer, writer, and producer. She is known globally for her work on Doctor Who, Secret Diary of a Call Girl, I Hate Suzie, and countless other projects. 
 

 
Scoop: Inspired by real events, Scoop is the inside account of the tenacious journalists that landed an earth-shattering interview - Prince Andrew's infamous BBC Newsnight appearance. From the tension of producer Sam McAlister’s (played by Billie Piper) high-stakes negotiations with Buckingham Palace all the way to Emily Maitlis’ (played by Gillian Anderson) jaw-dropping, forensic showdown with the Prince, Scoop takes us inside the story, with the women who would stop at nothing to get it. Scoop is now available on Netflix. 
 
 
 
About this podcast:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host, Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet, and on Substack at substack.com/@amandadecadenet

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The Great Life Lessons - Parenting, Career and Relationships with Billie Piper

Dr. Ramani Durvasula, a licensed clinical psychologist based in Los Angeles, is renowned for her expertise in narcissism and its effects on relationships. Amanda and Dr. Durvasula discuss the complexities of narcissism, shedding light on its defining characteristics and the impact it has on individuals and their relationships. She explains that narcissism is more than just self-centeredness; it's a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a lack of empathy, and a constant need for admiration. For those entangled in relationships with narcissists, Dr. Durvasula emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries, practicing self-care, and seeking support from friends, family, or a therapist. She emphasizes that it's crucial to prioritize one's well-being and to recognize when a relationship becomes toxic or abusive. Through her insights and guidance, Dr. Durvasula empowers individuals to identify narcissistic behaviors and take steps toward healing and reclaiming their lives. Don’t miss her book, It's Not You - Identifying and Healing from Narcissistic People.
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [00:38] Discussion about the overuse of the word narcissism by untrained observers, how the narcissist snares people, and how Dr. Durvasula began working with narcissistic people
 • [04:48] Dr. Durvasula explains what narcissism is and what it isn’t
 • [13:17] Can a narcissist be healed through therapy, and why does that person use recovery as a weapon
 • [21:32] The term parental alienation and how a narcissist manipulates their children.
 • [23:04] How do children cope when being raised by a narcissist, and what to do you do if you are in a narcissistic relationship
 • [48:00] What creates adult narcissism? Temperament and resilience
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • A narcissistic individual may initially seem appealing as a partner. However, their true nature emerges once you're in a relationship. You'll constantly feel inadequate and blamed for everything. The narcissist will never take responsibility or offer apologies.
 • The children of a narcissist are children of child abuse—the result of the abuse lasts for years into their adulthood. Unfortunately, mental abuse is never thought of as bad as other forms of abuse.
 • There is help for the victims of a narcissistic abuser. Recognize your situation, accept it and then get healing through therapy. It’s not your fault.
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
It's Not You - Identifying and Healing from Narcissistic People - Book
 
Dr. Ramani Durvasula - Instagram
 
Dr. Durvasula - Website
 
 
 
BIOGRAPHY:
 
Dr. Ramani Durvasula is a licensed clinical psychologist in Los Angeles, CA, Professor Emerita of Psychology at California State University, Los Angeles, and the Founder and CEO of LUNA Education, Training & Consulting. She is the author of several books, including Should I Stay or Should I Go: Surviving A Relationship with a Narcissist, and “Don’t You Know Who I Am?”: How to Stay Sane in an Era of Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility. The focus of Dr. Durvasula’s clinical, academic and consultative work is the etiology and impact of narcissism and high-conflict, entitled, antagonistic personality styles on human relationships, mental health, and societal expectations. Her work has been featured at SXSW, TEDx, Red Table Talk, the Today Show, and Investigation Discovery. You can also find her on YouTube, where she has accumulated millions of views on her videos discussing narcissism on her successful channel and social media @DoctorRamani. Now, she will be adding the role of host to her resume as she launches her new podcast, Navigating Narcissism with Dr. Durvasula, a show that focuses on narcissism and its impact on relationships.
 
 
 
About this podcast:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host, Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet.
 
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The Narcissism Conversation with Dr. Ramani Durvasula

For the first time we are making the Conversation original TV series interviews available on the pod. This is part of a miniseries featuring the first guests to appear on the show. In this mini-episode, we feature Lady Gaga. 
 
Lady Gaga always knew she wanted a larger than life music career and has done everything possible to pursue that dream and goal. In my chat with Lady Gaga she reflects on a dark period in her life, and refocusing her attention on her music, career, and finding happiness. She shares that she wants young women to know, “It’s important to remember that you have to be the sole source of your happiness. It is up to you, no one else.”
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [00:32] Lady Gaga reflects on her teenage years and the growing up she needed to do
 • [02:30] How did Lady Gaga’s parents influence her views of marriage, and how did she deal with loneliness early in her career 
 • [04:30] Lady Gaga discusses a dark period in her life
 • [06:05] How she overcame and started focusing on music and happiness
 • [08:30] Lady Gaga’s advice to women
 • [09:13] Lady Gaga responds to Amanda’s rapid-fire questions 
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Artists should dedicate their time, effort and energy to what they want to become in life.
 • There is a myth that cocaine makes you better at what you do. Often, it just makes you sick.
 • Don’t rely on a man to make you happy. That is your responsibility, and it’s unfair to him.
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
Amanda de Cadenet - Website
 
Amanda de Cadenet - Instagram
 
Lady Gaga - Facebook
 
Lady Gaga - LinkedIn
 
 
 
ABOUT THIS PODCAST:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics, from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet.

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Lady Gaga

For the first time we are making the Conversation original TV series interviews available on the pod. This is part of a miniseries featuring the first guests to appear on the show. In this mini episode we feature Alicia Keys. 
 
We begin our conversation discussing how women perceive their body size and age. Alicia has a beautiful outlook on how a woman’s body perception can change with insight and a historical view. We also discussed the birth of her son, Egypt, and Alicia explains everything she learned about breastfeeding. 
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
 
 • [00:32] Alicia and Amanda talk about how women perceive their body size and age
 • [02:52] Alica discusses her body changing after she had her son
 • [03:22] Alica’s response to breastfeeding and what she wasn’t told
 • [05:52] How Alica came to choose her child's name
 • [07:26] Alica reflects on her trip to Egypt
 • [07:52] Alicia answers Amanda's rapid-fire questions
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Vacationing alone can be liberating because you aren’t worried about another person’s happiness.
 • Women are hard on themselves when it comes to body size and aging. Women need to give themselves a break and look on the inside.
 • Before you melt down, getaway. You may not be able to travel to Egypt, but you can do a B&B in the next town.
 
 
 
RESOURCES:
 
Amanda de Cadenet - Website
 
Amanda de Cadenet - Instagram
 
Alicia Keys - Facebook
 
Alicia Keys - Instagram
 
ABOUT THIS PODCAST:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics, from porn to politics. Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet.

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Alicia Keys

Trigger Warning for our listeners - please be advised, this episode talks about sexual assault.
 
This episode of The Conversation features Tiffany Haddish, an American comedian known for her raw and unfiltered humor.Tiffany continues to overcome a lot of difficulties. At nine years old, her mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia, triggered by a car accident and brain injury .Despite facing a series of challenges, including endometriosis, arrests, and DUIs, Haddish has channeled her experiences into laughter. She's a successful stand-up comedian and the author of two books, "The Last Black Unicorn" and "I Curse You With Joy." This conversation with Tiffany is truly inspiring.
 
 
 
IN THIS EPISODE:
 
 • [00:25] The discussion begins with how trauma, as bad as it is, can inspire you to be accomplished and successful
 • [01:26] Tiffany Haddish shares how her mother's schizophrenia framed her childhood and life
 • [07:25] Amanda and Tiffany compare their journeys to adulthood, and Tiffany admits that she has been an “emotional hoarder”
 • [09:09] Tiffany reveals her addiction, her struggle with endometriosis, and what she has done to cope
 • [23:10] How pain can force you to take control of your health
 • [30:54] Discussion about CBD, keeping stress levels down, a court case and sexual abuse when she was 13
 • [40:26] Tiffany reveals her thoughts and experiences with foster care during her childhood and how she releases stress through humor
 • [35:54] Tiffany talks about her arrests and why she will remain sober, other health considerations, mocktails and hangover results
 • [1:00:25] Discussion about the books Tiffany has authored, the men she’s dating and sexual pleasure
 
 
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
 
 • Trauma victims keep events, feelings, and emotions inside themselves until they realize they can’t medicate trauma. You need therapy to be able to unpack the feelings you are hoarding. 
 • Women are good at dismissing pain. Women try hard not to acknowledge pain, and therefore, it doesn’t exist. Women are caretakers for others and often forget to care for themselves. 
 • Alcohol abuse causes, DUIs, child abuse, spousal abuse, and other traumas because people do not have control of their minds and actions. Statistics prove so many tragedies happen because alcohol or drug abuse is involved.
 
 
 
BIOGRAPHY:
 
Tiffany Haddish is an American stand-up comedian and actress. Her breakthrough came in with a leading role in the comedy film Girls Trip, which earned her several accolades and was included on The New Yorker's list of the best film performances of the 21st century.
 
 
 
GUEST RESOURCES:
 
tiffanyhaddish.com
 
Tiffany Haddish Instagram
 
Tiffany Haddish YouTube
 
Book: The Last Black Unicorn
 
Pre-Order Book: I Curse You with Joy on Amazon
 
Pre-Order Book: I Curse You with Joy on Barnes and Noble
 
 
 
THE CONVERSATION:
 
Amanda de Cadenet Substack
Amanda de Cadenet - Website
Amanda de Cadenet - Instagram
 
 
 
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About this podcast:
 
The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet is a groundbreaking series of weekly interviews featuring candid conversations with impactful thought leaders. Host, Amanda de Cadenet provides a platform for raw and honest discussions on a wide variety of topics from porn to politics.Visit amandadecadenet.com to learn more and sign up for her newsletter. Follow Amanda on Instagram @amandadecadenet.

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Endometriosis, Sobriety, and Stand-Up: Tiffany Haddish's Courageous Path to Healing

In this episode Suleika Jaouad and Amanda talk about her Oscar nominated film American Symphony, and Suleika's second cancer diagnosis happening the same week her husband Jon Baptiste was nominated for 11 Grammy Awards.
 
 They discuss transforming significant life challenges into avenues for connection and creativity.The beauty of finding small joys amidst uncertainty, the courage it takes to share our most vulnerable moments, and the profound growth that can come from acceptance and self-discovery. Suleika's story is testament to the resilience of the human spirit and the transformative power of storytelling.This is a conversation filled with honesty, vulnerability, and hope.
 
Here are some thought-provoking takeaways from their discussion:
 
 • The Isolation Journals: Discover how a 30-day project evolved into a thriving creative community, offering a space for storytelling and vulnerability.
 • Small Joys: Learn about the practice of identifying daily moments of joy, and how this simple act can shift our focus and bring light to our lives.
 • Resilience Through Creativity: Hear how both Suleika and Amanda have used their creative processes to navigate through illness and adversity, finding strength and connection along the way.
 • The Role of Relationships: Explore the impact of relationships on our experiences with illness and the importance of building a supportive community.
 • Embracing Uncertainty: Reflect on the idea of living each day with curiosity and wonder, rather than fear, and how this perspective can enrich our lives.
 • The importance of therapy and the value of having a space to talk openly about the challenges we face in our relationships.
 
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Suleika Jaouad on Creativity, Cancer and Nurturing Resilience.

Like many children of immigrants, Kal Penn had to have 1000 times more tenacity and grit to get to where he is today. In this latest episode of Amanda de Cadenet’s special series, “The Conversation: About the Men,” she talks to the actor about his early influences, how he got the courage to pursue acting, as well as a really funny story about how he landed a job at the White House (pro-tip: get in front of Michelle Obama to make your case). Along the way, Amanda learns from Kal about what he means when he talks about the “white diversity” of his childhood in New Jersey as well as “The Brown Catch-22,” that South Asian actors of his generation had to navigate in Hollywood. 
 
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Courage with Kal Penn

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