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Tim Ferriss: Bestselling Author

Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages.  Newsweek calls him "the world's best human guinea pig," and The New York Times calls him "a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk."  In this show, he deconstructs world-class performers from eclectic areas (investing, chess, pro sports, etc.), digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and tricks that listeners can use.

The Tim Ferriss Show

This time around, we have a bit of a different format, featuring the book that started it all for me, The 4-Hour Workweek. Readers and listeners often ask me what I would change or update, but an equally interesting question is: what wouldn’t I change? What stands the test of time and hasn’t lost any potency? This episode features three of the most important chapters from the audiobook of The 4-Hour Workweek. The audiobook, produced and copyrighted by Blackstone Publishing, is available wherever audiobooks are sold. You can find it on Audible, Apple, Google, Spotify, Downpour.com, or wherever you get your favorite audiobooks.

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TIMESTAMPS

 • [00:00:00] Start.
 • [00:02:31] Mini-retirements: embracing the mobile lifestyle.
 • [00:09:22] The birth of mini-retirements and the death of vacations.
 • [00:11:03] The alternative to binge traveling.
 • [00:16:14] Purging the demons: emotional freedom.
 • [00:18:43] The financial realities: it just gets better.
 • [00:24:24] Fear factors: overcoming excuses not to travel.
 • [00:30:08] When more is less: cutting the clutter.
 • [00:39:29] The Bora-Bora dealmaker.
 • [00:43:11] Questions and actions.
 • [00:44:22] Take an asset and cash-flow snapshot.
 • [00:45:02] Fear-set a one-year mini-retirement in a dream location in Europe.
 • [00:48:38] Prepare for your trip.
 • [00:59:42] Adding life after subtracting work.
 • [01:01:51] Depression and boredom: it's normal.
 • [01:05:31] Frustrations and doubts: you're not alone.
 • [01:12:01] The point of it all.
 • [01:13:37] Learning unlimited: sharpening the saw.
 • [01:17:24] Service for the right reasons.
 • [01:20:05] Questions and actions.
 • [01:22:46] Make an anonymous donation to the service organization of your choice.
 • [01:24:05] Take a learning mini-retirement in combination with local volunteering.
 • [01:28:42] The top 13 new rich mistakes.

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#836: The 4-Hour Workweek Principles — 13 Mistakes to Avoid, The Art of Mini-Retirements, and Navigating the Dizziness of Freedom

Ben Patrick, better known as “Kneesovertoesguy” (@kneesovertoesguy), is the founder of Athletic Truth Group (ATG), an online and brick-and-mortar training system rooted in rehabilitative strength and joint health. After years of debilitating knee and shin pain (including multiple surgeries), he rebuilt his body and performance, going from a sub-20″ vertical to a documented 42″ leap.

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Timestamps:

 • [00:00:00] Who is Ben Patrick? 
 • [00:02:32] How Ben went from Old Man Patrick to Knees Over Toes Guy.
 • [00:06:37] Backward sled dragging for safe strength building and rehab.
 • [00:13:14] Full range of motion squatting (deep squats vs. 90-degree limitation).
 • [00:16:30] “Strength is gained in the range it is trained.” — Charles Poliquin
 • [00:18:50] ATG split squat (front foot elevated split squat).
 • [00:19:53] Heel elevation and counterbalancing techniques.
 • [00:24:26] Ben’s mother’s transformation — from hip deterioration to sprinting at age 71.
 • [00:27:36] Ben’s vertical jump progression — unable to grab rim in high school to dunking at 34.
 • [00:28:14] Most effective exercises Ben’s mom might recommend.
 • [00:29:54] Ben and I reflect on what Charles Poliquin (RIP) gave to us.
 • [00:36:36] How backwards sled pulling became a revered exercise.
 • [00:39:12] Mr. Universe Bob Gajda’s contributions to Ben’s regimen.
 • [00:42:16] ATG prioritizes offering American-made products when possible.
 • [00:43:14] Tibialis raises without equipment.
 • [00:45:37] Why I included the 
ATG wrist bar • in a recent 5-Bullet Friday.
 • [00:48:32] 
Ben’s videos he most recommends • .
 • [00:54:48] Applying the minimum effective dose (MED) for maximum results in any endeavor.
 • [00:59:55] What I would include in 
The 4-Hour Body • if it were written or revised today.
 • [01:01:13] A space-saving alternative for people who want to enjoy the benefits of sled work.
 • [01:01:57] Real examples of high-yield workouts that require a low investment of time.
 • [01:05:59] Ben’s basketball warmup protocols.
 • [01:06:59] Regularly skip leg day? Try Arnold Schwarzenegger’s one simple trick.
 • [01:08:49] Maintaining integrity in the ever-fickle world of content creation.
 • [01:32:18] Parting thoughts.

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#835: Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy) — 20-Minute Workouts That Produce Wild Results, From Chronic Knee Pain to Dunking Basketballs, Lessons from Charles Poliquin, Bulletproofing the Lower Body, and More

David Baszucki is the founder and CEO of Roblox. TIME named Roblox one of the “100 Most Influential Companies,” and it has been recognized by Fast Company for innovation on their “Most Innovative Companies” and “Most Innovative Companies in Gaming” lists.

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Timestamps:

 • [00:00:00] Start.
 • [00:01:48] Kicking off with custom kettlebells.
 • [00:03:00] How David and I connected through Dominic D’Agostino and metabolic health research.
 • [00:04:30] Matthew Baszucki’s eight-year journey with bipolar disorder before keto breakthrough.
 • [00:08:14] Rescuing Matthew from the streets with a strategic hospital admission.
 • [00:18:18] Matthew’s disappearance from his mother’s perspective.
 • [00:19:37] Understanding how the ketogenic diet helps people with bipolar disorder.
 • [00:24:21] Meeting the challenges of ketogenic diet compliance.
 • [00:30:06] Measuring ketone levels.
 • [00:32:17] The clandestine Canadian CKM smuggling ring.
 • [00:33:07] The calm optimism, mental clarity, and reduced sleep requirements of ketosis.
 • [00:35:19] Breath hold experiments.
 • [00:37:44] Optimizing my sleep and minimizing my OCD on ketosis.
 • [00:40:18] How exogenous ketones improve verbal acuity of relatives with Alzheimer’s
 • [00:41:49] Lyme disease and ketosis.
 • [00:44:37] Talk therapy vs. mechanical therapy: Fixing the machinery first.
 • [00:45:47] Dangers of talk therapy without physiological foundation: Learned helplessness.
 • [00:46:49] Atmospheric Calm playlist: Ambient music for focus and productivity.
 • [00:49:16] How Roblox fits in with human connection evolution to the tune of 120 million daily users.
 • [00:52:50] Emergent games within the Roblox ecosystem.
 • [00:54:32] Roblox’s safety infrastructure: Built for all ages from day one.
 • [00:55:24] Future of 3D work: Virtual meetings replacing video calls, concerts, and political rallies.
 • [00:56:57] The inevitability of innovation.
 • [00:58:07] From early revenue challenges to a creator community earning over $1 billion a year.
 • [01:02:52] Taking economic inspiration from Adam Smith.
 • [01:03:54] Building the successful Robux system with a 20-person team in three months.
 • [01:10:17] How does Roblox guard against IP theft among its digital creators?
 • [01:14:32] Best company decisions made at Roblox thus far.
 • [01:19:35] Missteps and mistakes.
 • [01:21:07] When intuitive tech predictions pay off.
 • [01:25:49] David’s favorite niche Roblox games.
 • [01:28:41] Roblox kid safety: Filtered communication, parental controls, future AI age estimation, and clustering.
 • [01:32:02] Roblox AI infrastructure: Hundreds of models for safety, translation, 3D creation, and procedurally generated dreaming.
 • [01:33:33] Predictions: Sci-fi becoming reality, holodeck timeline, AI movies in 3-5 years, photorealistic virtual concerts.
 • [01:37:24] Product development and challenges of being a public company CEO.
 • [01:41:35] David’s self-care routine.
 • [01:45:20] Roblox wellness: CGMs for all employees, snack labeling system, employee transformations.
 • [01:47:11] Exploratory reading.
 • [01:49:32] “Feed Your Head”: David’s Jefferson Airplane-inspired billboard.
 • [01:50:24] Whole cream vs. half-and-half for coffee and other parting thoughts.

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#834: David Baszucki, Co-Founder of Roblox — The Path to 150M+ Daily Users, Critical Business Decisions, Ketogenic Therapy for Brain Health, Daily Routines, The Roblox Economy, and More

Jack Canfield is the coauthor of more than two hundred books, including, The Success Principles™: How to Get from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be and the Chicken Soup for the Soul® series, which includes forty New York Times bestsellers and which has sold more than 600 million copies in 50-plus languages around the world.

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Timestamps:

 • [00:00:00] Who is Jack?
 • [00:01:57] How a single “yes” from Jack shaped my career.
 • [00:04:55] A contract lesson: How 
Chicken Soup for the Soul • sold millions in China with zero royalties.
 • [00:06:45] Jack’s background: From poverty to Harvard.
 • [00:09:43] Discovering Chinese history and the “easy A” that changed everything.
 • [00:11:07] Winning “Teacher of the Year” teaching Black history.
 • [00:14:35] High praise from Sammy Davis Jr.
 • [00:17:37] W. Clement Stone: The $600 million mentor who turned motivation into a science (and insurance).
 • [00:21:35] Stone’s challenge: Take 100% responsibility and stop watching TV (a 14-month year hack).
 • [00:22:40] From visualizing $100,000 to a million.
 • [00:25:42] 
Chicken Soup • origins.
 • [00:27:35] Mark Victor Hansen joins.
 • [00:29:15] 144 rejections later.
 • [00:31:28] The ABA miracle.
 • [00:34:05] The Rule of Five.
 • [00:36:05] Selling 
The Soul • and splurging on sweaters.
 • [00:37:27] 
The Soup • sourced from the universe.
 • [00:39:33] The big break.
 • [00:41:22] Word-of-mouth magic.
 • [00:45:37] Lessons from live feedback.
 • [00:47:27] The burnout years.
 • [00:49:25] Life after 
Chicken Soup • .
 • [00:51:05] Late-night typing marathons and pun-laden chapter transitions that led to 
The Success Principles • .
 • [00:54:02] How Jack’s love of transformation beats any royalty check.
 • [00:55:07] Retirement reflections.
 • [00:59:32] Jack’s longevity formula: Laughter, organic food, love, and letting go.
 • [01:02:10] An ayahuasca awakening.
 • [01:03:39] The story of Rythmia Life Advancement Center and how it’s affected Jack.
 • [01:06:43] Breaking belief loops and understanding community as medicine.
 • [01:10:06] E + R = O and strategies for taking 100% responsibility of one’s life.
 • [01:22:27] Why “clean up your messes” is first in Jack’s list of productivity tips.
 • [01:29:27] Where to begin if you’re unfamiliar with Jack’s work.
 • [01:31:08] Ken Blanchard: “Feedback is the breakfast of champions.”
 • [01:32:13] Parting thoughts.

Show notes for this episode: https://tim.blog/2025/10/29/jack-canfield/

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#833: Jack Canfield — Selling 600+ Million Books, Success Principles, and How He Made The 4-Hour Workweek Happen

Boyd Varty is the founder of Track Your Life, which offers a limited number of premium retreats in South Africa’s bushveld, and author of one of my favorite books, The Lion Tracker’s Guide to Life. As a fourth-generation custodian of Londolozi Game Reserve, Boyd grew up with lions, leopards, snakes, and elephants and has spent his life in apprenticeship to the natural world. He is also the host of the Track Your Life podcast.

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Timestamps:

 • [00:00:00] Start.
 • [00:01:59] Boyd returns.
 • [00:03:14] Elite firefighting unit: Boyd’s French Foreign Legionnaire predecessor.
 • [00:04:27] The paper mache lion incident and Lucky’s dramatic exit.
 • [00:08:07] Firefighting drill disaster: When 50/50 failed spectacularly.
 • [00:09:58] Leadership lesson: Bringing energy down when chaos climbs.
 • [00:11:52] Story hunting and the natural world as meaning machine.
 • [00:17:16] Uncle JV: Wildlife filmmaker with a dangerous drama meter.
 • [00:19:10] Camera bearing adventures: Elephants, hyenas, and the red mist.
 • [00:22:30] Zambia expeditions: Crocodiles, dead elephants, and shovel oars.
 • [00:25:48] Orienting toward safety: Building capability versus childhood overwhelm.
 • [00:29:11] Wilderness retreat lessons: Wordlessness and natural state.
 • [00:31:40] The Londolozi time war: Tech detox and parasympathetic shifts.
 • [00:39:49] Mystical animal encounters: Lions, southern boubous, and synchronicity.
 • [00:43:11] Re-enchantment: Nature’s desire to help us heal.
 • [00:45:25] Following non-rational energy and forays into wordlessness.
 • [00:52:31] Diana Chapman’s Whole-Body Yes and avoiding the simmering six.
 • [00:58:04] Toby Pheasant and the great black mamba escape.
 • [01:06:09] Training for persistence hunting using Bushman Great Dance wisdom.
 • [01:09:23] The desert as storehouse: Abundance psychology in action.
 • [01:11:23] Persistence hunt mechanics: Heat, time, and the animal’s energy transfer.
 • [01:15:04] Running into ceremony: 47 degrees and letting the body know.
 • [01:21:31] The kudu gives itself: Profound respect at the edge of survival.
 • [01:27:22] Seeking the wild man: Access to the full spectrum of presence.
 • [01:29:20] Context and discernment: Armor in cities, openness in wild spaces.
 • [01:34:55] Men need men: Collective exploration around the fire.
 • [01:37:40] Relationship as practice: Moving from romantic myth to active work.
 • [01:40:15] Dick jokes and raft building: The indirect work that does heavy lifting.
 • [01:45:43] Lunch the baboon: Hand lotion, bloody handprints, and royal delays.
 • [01:55:43] Living amongst the animals: Warthog intelligence and leopard relationships.
 • [01:57:27] Parting thoughts.

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For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.

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#832: The Return of The Lion Tracker — Boyd Varty on The Wild Man Within, Nature’s Hidden Wisdom, and How to Feel Fully Alive

Frank Miller is regarded as one of the most influential and awarded creators. He began his career in comics in the late 1970s, first gaining notoriety as the artist, and later writer, of Daredevil for Marvel Comics. Next, came the science-fiction samurai drama Ronin, followed by the groundbreaking Batman: The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One with artist David Mazzuchelli. Following these seminal works, Miller fulfilled a lifelong dream by doing an all-out crime series, Sin City, which spawned two blockbuster films that he co-directed with Robert Rodriguez. Miller’s multi-award-winning graphic novel 300 was also adapted into a highly successful film by Zack Snyder. His upcoming memoir, Push the Wall: My Life, Writing, Drawing, and the Art of Storytelling, is now available for pre-order.

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Timestamps:

 • [00:00:00] Start.
 • [00:02:14] Aristotle’s definition of happiness: Devotion to excellence.
 • [00:03:02] Tools of the trade: Blackwing pencils, India ink, liquid frisket.
 • [00:04:45] 
Sin City • ‘s physical creation at “twice up” size.
 • [00:08:06] The toothbrush spatter technique.
 • [00:09:24] Channeling impatience, anger, and violence into dramatic creative work.
 • [00:10:33] What Jack Kirby knew about making comics competitive with cinema’s spectacle.
 • [00:11:56] Will Eisner and 
The Spirit • ‘s influence on the US market where writer-artist duality is rare.
 • [00:13:33] How Jack Kirby blasted apart the panel grid (and a young Frank’s mind).
 • [00:15:49] Push the wall and defy the code.
 • [00:19:54] The ruthless mentorship of Neal Adams.
 • [00:24:57] The genesis of the Elektra amd Daredevil “soap opera.”
 • [00:27:56] Story structure: Start late, end early.
 • [00:29:10] Trusting the muse over rigid methodology.
 • [00:31:15] European invasion: Moebius and Forbidden Planet.
 • [00:32:52] Japanese influence: 
Lone Wolf and Cub • ‘s impact.
 • [00:34:30] Cultural differences in depicting violence and motion.
 • [00:36:38] 
Ronin • : Shameless imitation and rebirth.
 • [00:37:28] How does Frank know if something is working (or not working)?
 • [00:39:27] The critical reception of 
Ronin • as a “broken nose.”
 • [00:42:37] The ruthless structure of 
The Dark Knight Returns • .
 • [00:43:40] Mutual elevation with “smartest fan” Alan Moore.
 • [00:48:26] Robert Rodriguez: Angel of goodwill and generosity.
 • [00:49:28] 
Sin City • film: Co-directing and the Director’s Guild sacrifice.
 • [00:50:31] Working as a “two-headed beast” with Rodriguez.
 • [00:55:27] Favorite films.
 • [00:58:19] Books and ancient history inspiring 
300 • .
 • [00:59:00] Hollywood lessons: The importance of working with the right people.
 • [01:01:13] The partnership and guidance of Silenn Thomas.
 • [01:02:01] The clarity and creative rejuvenation of getting sober from alcohol.
 • [01:04:48] Advice for aspiring comic artists: Story, story, story.
 • [01:06:20] Learning to draw: Bridgman and Loomis books.
 • [01:08:07] Perspective as a mathematical trick and lie.
 • [01:11:00] Dick Giordano’s advice: Lay in blacks first.
 • [01:13:52] 
Sin City • workflow innovation: Batch processing stages.
 • [01:15:48] Dark Horse Comics and creative freedom.
 • [01:17:29] Economy of line work and elegant minimalism.
 • [01:20:46] On collaborating with Bill Sienkiewicz on 
Elektra • .
 • [01:25:20] Billboard wisdom: “Ask every question,” and “Why?”
 • [01:27:08] Challenging pathological conformity.
 • [01:27:39] Parting thoughts and where to find Frank’s work.

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#831: Frank Miller, Comic Book Legend — Creative Process, The Dark Knight Returns, Sin City, 300, and Much More

Richard H. Thaler is the 2017 recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his contributions to behavioral economics and the Charles R. Walgreen Distinguished Service Professor of Behavioral Science and Economics at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. He is the New York Times bestselling co-author of Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness and the author of Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics. His new book is The Winner's Curse: Behavioral Economics Anomalies, Then and Now. 

My co-host for this conversation is Nick Kokonas. Nick is an entrepreneur, investor, and author best known as the co-founder of The Alinea Group (sold in 2024) and the reservation platform Tock, which is now owned by American Express.

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Timestamps:

[00:00:00] Start.

[00:02:33] First principles: What is economics, really?

[00:04:18] The “max” assumption and agents as optimizers.

[00:06:41] Rationality in models: Solving problems like an economist would.

[00:07:29] “Meh” vs “Max” — shortcuts instead of optimization.

[00:08:06] Selfishness, fairness, and self-control in economic models.

[00:10:08] Milton Friedman’s “as if” defense.

[00:12:36] The cashew nuts story: Origin of behavioral economics.

[00:14:02] Removing choice and status quo bias.

[00:17:31] The case for Americans needing forced savings.

[00:19:34] Academic resistance: Psychologists laughing at economic theory.

[00:24:37] Loss aversion: Disease cure experiment.

[00:27:04] Endowment effect: Coffee mug experiment.

[00:29:45] Restaurant reservations and the power of deposits.

[00:31:05] Fairness research: Snow shovels and blizzards.

[00:32:50] Uber surge pricing and the 9/11 thought experiment.

[00:34:37] Behavioral economics in one sentence.

[00:35:00] Nudges: 401(k) auto-enrollment case study.

[00:37:46] The fly in the urinal and nudge durability.

[00:39:07] Lakeshore Drive lines: Making safety easy.

[00:41:30] Choice architecture: Good nudges vs. malicious nudges.

[00:42:40] Online gambling and Robinhood’s gamification.

[00:45:51] Lessons learned from teaching decision-making for 40 years.

[00:46:52] Winner’s curse: The jar of coins demonstration.

[00:49:04] ARCO engineers discover the winner’s curse in oil bidding.

[00:50:11] Writing papers as competitive strategy.

[00:52:31] Amos Tversky’s note: People learn through stories.

[00:53:44] Overconfidence: Amazon River and CFO predictions.

[00:55:59] NFL draft: 53% success rate (barely better than coin flips).

[00:57:12] Trading down in the draft as optimal strategy.

[00:59:26] Applying behavioral insights to daily habits.

[01:01:04] The law of one price and restaurant deposit resistance.

[01:02:39] Being a chef doesn’t automatically make you a good businessperson.

[01:03:33] Sports analytics: The three-point shot revolution.

[01:04:29] Michael Jordan vs Steve Kerr: 50% three-point shooting.

[01:05:56] Finding $20 bills on the street.

[01:06:35] Mental accounting: Money in jeans feels like a windfall.

[01:07:50] Obama stimulus: Lump sum vs. spread out payments — why does it matter?

[01:09:58] Airline baggage fees: “There’s a guy who owns that.”

[01:11:43] Sunk cost fallacy: The dessert we don’t need.

[01:12:37] Nick’s $500 wine example and building Tock on sunk costs.

[01:14:41] Richard’s daughter and the baseball/concert tickets experiment.

[01:16:05] Temptation bundling: Using cognitive biases for self-improvement.

[01:19:06] Big data and natural experiments in the real world.

[01:19:50] Mental accounting in action: Premium gas during the financial crisis.

[01:22:34] Amazon’s hundred-PhD economics department.

[01:23:48] The pragmatic reason Richard invented behavioral economics.

[01:25:47] Strategy: Corrupt the youth, not change old minds.

[01:27:06] The behavioral economics summer camp running since 1994.

[01:28:12] The “Anomalies” column in Journal of Economic Perspectives.

[01:29:44] Citations matter: Writing articles people can understand.

[01:30:31] Availability bias: Homicides vs. suicides.

[01:31:47] Kahneman and Tversky: The reason for everything.

[01:33:11] Systematic bias vs. random errors.

[01:34:08] Amos’ dinner trap: Everyone you know is dumb, except your models.

[01:37:19] Michael Lewis’ The Undoing Project.

[01:38:11] Daniel Kahneman’s assisted suicide decision as peak-end rule applied to life itself.

[01:45:11] What keeps Richard going?

[01:46:44] Why the updated version of The Winner’s Curse should appeal to economists and everyday humans.

[01:49:58] Parting thoughts.

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#830: Nick Kokonas and Richard Thaler, Nobel Prize Laureate — Realistic Economics, Avoiding The Winner’s Curse, Using Temptation Bundling, and Going Against the Establishment

James Nestor is a science journalist and the author of the international bestseller Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art, with more than three million copies sold in 44 languages.

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[00:01:37] Why I waited years to interview James about Breath.

[00:02:35] Maurice Daubard: The mysterious 90-year-old who preceded Wim Hof.

[00:05:01] Tummo breathing: Ancient Bon Buddhist heat generation.

[00:08:13] James’ personal breathwork practice and the Wim Hof method (with warnings).

[00:09:25] How breathwork cured James’ chronic respiratory issues.

[00:11:46] Sudarshan Kriya: The weekend workshop that changed everything.

[00:16:56] My nine-minute breath hold experiment (hyperbaric chamber edition).

[00:18:57] Post-book revelations and angry doctors’ offices.

[00:20:41] The ADHD-breathing connection: A controversial Venn diagram.

[00:22:00] DIY breathing assessments for kids.

[00:25:55] Mouth tape: From hostage situations to sleep optimization.

[00:28:48] James’ seven-year mouth taping commitment.

[00:31:14] CO2 levels: Your LEED-certified hotel is suffocating you.

[00:36:50] Monitoring CO2 with the Aranet4 and building a CO2 database.

[00:39:51] James’ travel kit: Red lights, granny packs, and a Soviet-era PEMF device.

[00:51:59] In Weirdville, eyes sing The Body Electric.

[00:52:58] The supplements included in David’s granny packs.

[00:54:16] Natto vs. nattokinase.

[00:56:18] Athletes and breathing: The BOLT score explained.

[01:03:25] LeBron James’ alternate nostril breathing and diaphragmatic dysfunction.

[01:04:47] Inspiratory muscle training and the back soreness warning.

[01:08:47] The Relaxator: An adult breathing pacifier for focus.

[01:12:54] San Francisco Writers Grotto and the trustafarian invasion.

[01:16:10] Writer’s block: A convenient excuse for hobbyists.

[01:19:04] Cutting the corporate cord: James’ visceral “I quit” moment.

[01:23:25] The freediving story that launched a book deal.

[01:25:41] Deep‘s disappointing launch and publisher betrayal.

[01:28:10] Breath: From 290,000 words to 85,000 in a house in the woods.

[01:31:51] Finding the skeleton: The Stanford experiment as through-line.

[01:35:44] Prayer and coherent breathing: The 5.5-second secret.

[01:38:44] James’ critique of breathwork culture and barriers to entry.

[01:41:07] Sleep optimization: SnoreLab, side sleeping, and incline bed therapy.

[01:44:56] Parting thoughts and where to find James and free breathing protocols.

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#829: James Nestor — Breathing Protocols to Reboot Your Health, Fix Your Sleep, and Boost Performance

David Senra is the host of the Founders podcast. For the past nine years, David has intensely studied the life and work of hundreds of history’s greatest entrepreneurs. His new podcast, David Senra, showcases conversations with the best-of-the-best living founders and extreme winners.

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[00:00:00] Who is David Senra?

[00:01:11] Brad Jacobs: Roll-up king and positive-driven billionaire founder.

[00:02:26] Rare positive archetypes: Ed Thorp, Sol Price, Brunello Cucinelli.

[00:06:04] Michael Dell as another exception; fear of failure and motivation.

[00:06:47] Negative self-talk, excellence, and its ripple effects.

[00:08:26] Jensen Huang story: “Why do you suck so much?”

[00:08:54] Inspiration from Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History.

[00:10:00] Derek Sivers: unconventional, philosophical entrepreneur.

[00:11:04] Learning equals behavior change, not memorization.

[00:11:48] Jeremy Giffon insight: biographies as substitute mentors.

[00:12:37] Reading biographies as one-sided conversations.

[00:13:16] The chain of influence.

[00:14:09] Podcasting as “relationships at scale.”

[00:14:28] Coping with trauma and breaking cycles.

[00:20:18] Note-taking process: books, Post-its, ruler, Readwise.

[00:29:27] OCD tendencies and love of doing things the hard way.

[00:31:04] Comparing our reading/re-reading workflows.

[00:35:04] A family falling out and the randomness of student housing.

[00:38:58] David’s introduction to my work during his MySpace-era college years.

[00:40:07] Podcasting influences: Jocko Willink, Kevin Rose’s Elon Musk interview.

[00:44:14] Five-and-a-half years of obscurity before breakthrough.

[00:46:50] Graphtreon and experiments with subscription models.

[00:49:25] Patrick O’Shaughnessy’s endorsement sparks growth.

[00:51:23] Sam Hinkie and Patrick connections fuel momentum.

[00:52:19] Transition to ads and joining Patrick’s network.

[00:55:17] Edwin Land: patron saint of founders and Steve Jobs’ influence.

[00:57:02] Lessons from Sam Zell, Jay Pritzker, and William Zeckendorf.

[00:58:48] Need a generous, well-connected person? You can’t go wrong with Rick Gerson.

[01:03:04] Edwin Land’s philosophies: Differentiation and doing to excess.

[01:04:30] Entrepreneurial archetypes and conflicting advice.

[01:06:00] Daniel Ek as an alternative founder archetype and mentor.

[01:10:59] Further founder archetypes and contrasts.

[01:13:41] What is an anti-business billionaire?

[01:19:55] Advice from “shark” Michael Ovitz about the value of truth in one’s inner circle.

[01:22:30] The hands-on approach of practical founders who live for the love of their business.

[01:23:28] Doing one thing relentlessly.

[01:23:51] “This can’t be my life” as a powerful motivator.

[01:26:57] Low introspection as a common trait among founders — and its implications about human nature.

[01:30:15] Robert Caro: The only writer David believes should be allowed to write thousand-page biographies.

[01:32:40] James Dyson’s persistence vs. the risk of blind stubbornness.

[01:34:22] Todd Graves (Raising Cane’s) as an example of relentless focus on one idea.

[01:35:41] Separating fact from fiction in biographies/histories.

[01:41:55] Considering trainable vs. non-trainable attributes in potential role models.

[01:46:11] Perusing Charlie Munger’s library.

[01:49:35] Dealmaking lessons on Eddie Lampert’s superyacht.

[01:55:34] The smartest person David knows.

[01:56:55] David’s obsessive craftsman approach to podcast creation.

[01:58:51] Why David decided to begin a second podcast.

[02:01:21] The economics of trust.

[02:03:40] The benefits of cultivating a purposeful aloofness about current events.

[02:07:11] Using the pulpit of publicity for good, not evil.

[02:09:57] New show frequency/dynamic and how David plans to balance the burden of running two shows.

[02:13:30] Teamwork with essence of turtle.

[02:15:40] Adapting the Rockefeller “secret allies” strategy to podcasting.

[02:17:56] Chris Hutchins: The mad scientist of podcasting?

[02:18:30] Working with Rob Mohr and Andrew Huberman of SciComm.

[02:20:54] Why David focuses on 24-hour cycles over long-term planning.

[02:24:54] Does David worry the extra workload will disrupt his lifestyle?

[02:30:18] What makes one potential guest more interesting to David than another?

[02:34:34] Making an impact vs. happiness.

[02:36:32] Playing the status game when your heart’s not in it is for suckers.

[02:44:23] Travel observations and the rarity of truly unique experiences.

[02:46:26] Books as philosophical operating systems.

[02:48:39] Parting thoughts.

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#828: David Senra — How Extreme Winners Think and Win: Lessons from 400+ of History’s Greatest Founders and Investors (Including Buffett, Munger, Rockefeller, Jobs, Ovitz, Zell, and Names You Don’t Know But Should)

Pablos Holman is a hacker and inventor and the author of Deep Future: Creating Technology that Matters, the indispensable guide to deep tech. Previously, Pablos worked on spaceships at Blue Origin and helped build The Intellectual Ventures Lab to invent a wide variety of breakthroughs. Pablos also hosts the Deep Future Podcast and is managing partner at Deep Future.

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 • [00:02:12] The first time I witnessed Pablos’ digital sleight of hand.
 • [00:04:33] How did Pablos become what 
he • considers to be a hacker?
 • [00:08:04] The off-label mindset that makes a good hacker (like Samy Kamkar) great.
 • [00:17:07] The magic of Rodney Mullen.
 • [00:20:28] How Eric Johanson and Pablos gave life to adorable password thief Hackerbot.
 • [00:23:44] Hacker self-defense and the zero-click exploit market.
 • [00:27:11] International pockets of hacker density.
 • [00:30:13] Conventions where modern hackers congregate.
 • [00:30:48] Why, in geopolitics, technology is a game lost by the non-players.
 • [00:33:05] The case to rally behind new nuclear power.
 • [00:36:54] Sequencing priorities so the US can remain technologically competitive.
 • [00:44:49] Evaluating risk and reward in deep tech investment.
 • [00:50:40] Shoring up the shape of shipping.
 • [00:56:59] How Pablos gained his name and famous frames.
 • [00:58:48] Pablos is a possible-ist.
 • [00:59:45] What makes Pablos an attractive hire for the world’s richest people?
 • [01:02:06] From Silicon Valley to Seattle: the Blue Origin origin story.
 • [01:08:55] Why Pablos prevails over his M-dash peers.
 • [01:11:41] 
Zero Effect • and 
WarGames • : The only movies that matter?
 • [01:15:58] A major security malfunction exploited by Major Malfunction.
 • [01:18:30] The enigmatic Neal Stephenson.
 • [01:19:38] Long-form lessons gleaned from Jeff Bezos and the Blue Origin mission.
 • [01:27:15] For solving the world’s problems, communities are crucial.
 • [01:31:03] Newlab PSYOPS.
 • [01:34:44] AI and the ripple effects of China’s engineering-minded vs. America’s attorney-heavy leadership.
 • [01:48:20] Unearthing like-minded inventors and innovators.
 • [01:50:42] How Pablos learned salsa dancing via aikido vs. my own tango experience.
 • [02:08:27] Why 
you • should invest or get involved in deep tech.
 • [02:14:45] Clearing up fusion confusion.
 • [02:21:17] Making progress happen is a team effort.
 • [02:24:19] Parting thoughts.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

I expect next week will be an exceptionally difficult week for many people and many cities, New York City chief among them. There are several very urgent needs.

This episode will highlight things that can be done to help healthcare workers (food, temp housing, PPE, ventilators and vent modification for higher capacity, etc.), as well as a few companies well positioned to immediately help.

I would encourage you to think of healthcare workers, alongside people working on vaccine development and drug development, as the walls of our collective city. By protecting and helping them, we protect and help ourselves and everyone around us. If they fail, we all fail. These brothers and sisters on the front lines need help now, and it cannot wait a week.

If it weren't for healthcare workers, I would be dead. If not for healthcare workers, my dad would be dead, and three uncles and two aunts would also be dead. If you are lucky enough to be healthy and reading this, you likely owe some thanks to healthcare workers. They are the (usually) invisible safety net for us all.

Thank you for listening to this one. It's important.

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#416: How to Support Healthcare Workers Now — Plus Urgent Suggestions for Uber Eats, Hilton, Amazon, and More

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