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True Crime Bullsh** is a serialized, investigative podcast that aims to identify the missing victims of serial killer Israel Keyes. Host Josh Hallmark has spent close to a decade combing through FBI files, analyzing interrogation videos, and working with experts in the field in this comprehensive and ground-breaking podcast.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

True Crime Bullsh**

We're pushing out until we return for the holiday break on January 19, with FIVE EXTRA EPISODES. Our initial episode count of 8, increased to 12, and now we know we have more than enough content to put out 17 very strong episodes this season (which means 7 more episodes).

Upcoming travel:
On January 8th, I'll be in LA with Tooker and Charlie (Crimelines) for a happy hour and meet-up at the Bigfoot Lodge on Los Feliz Blvd from 6-8pm. Stop by and join us for drinks and conversation.
Additionally, the trip to Iceland has sold out. But we're working on a second 2026 Trova Trip for those of you wanting something warm, tropical, and closer to home. That announcement will be coming soon.

Thanks for your patience, support, and understanding. Have a wonderful holiday season. <3

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Midseason break, New trips, Los Angeles, and more

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation Amanda (Wine & Crime), Charlie (Crimelines), and Josh (True Crime Bullsh**) discuss: friendships in podcasting, war stories from the road, podcast advice, feeling misunderstood, weird purchases, pop culture, and more.

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

True Crime Conversations: Amanda Jacobson, Charlie Worroll, Josh Hallmark (Ad-free & Early)

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation we discuss: gay podcasting, advocacy and compassion in podcasting, dick pics, criticism, the genesis of our shows, our favorite podcasts of the year, and more. 

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

True Crime Conversations: Eric Carter-Landin, Patrick Hinds, Josh Hallmark

Josh and team dissect various information and semantics surrounding Keyes's male-female couple. They circle back to Eugene Hyatt and Kami Vollendroff, and then deep-dive the disappearance of a Spokane couple. Then new information from a friend of Keyes gives the team a new perspective not on just the male-female couple and the vicitm ruled accidental, but potentially all of Keyes's unknown victims. 

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With research by: Kathleen S. and Jordan Taylor
 
PATREON
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RESOURCES
 • NAMUS
 • The Charley Project
 • Pacifi
corps.com • LowImpact
hydro.org • Dam
safety.org • The Washington state digital archives
 • The Spokesman Review

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Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov, Whithe, and Sero. 
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Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie.

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0710 | Undercurrent

TROVA TRIP to ICELAND
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Announcements

The FBI releases some surprising new information obtained from Keyes, including more maps. Josh begins connecting a handful of those maps to facts, theories, tips, and potential victims. 

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With research by: Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Kathleen S. 

TROVA TRIP to ICELAND
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PATREON
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
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RESOURCES
NAMUS
The Charley Project

SPONSORS:
Uncommon Goods • : Get 15% off at 
www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp • : Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at 
www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp • : Get 10% off your first month at 
www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince • : Get free shipping at 
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Music by: LaBon. 
Featured music by: Sarah Belkner 

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

0709 | Kootenai

In light of new revelations about Keyes's childhood and time in Eastern Washington, we further explore his upbringing, religious history, and his family's beliefs; which all lead us back to that farmhouse in Hunters, Washington. And from there, we try to make sense of what happened on April 2, 2005. 

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With research by: Jordan Taylor 
And additional research by: Michelle Tooker and Shana Wilensky. 

TROVA TRIP to ICELAND
Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026 
 
PATREON
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi 
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand RESOURCES
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/jun/17/cheyne-kehoe-turns-himself-in-brother-still-on/https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/influential-christian-identity-pastor-dies/https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/christian-identity/https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/christian-identity-movementhttps://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/christian-identity-movement-analyzing-its-theologicalhttps://califias.blogspot.com/2014/10/art-bulla-and-church-of-jesus-christ.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy

SPONSORS:
Uncommon Goods • : Get 15% off at 
www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp • : Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at 
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Music by: Radical Face, Itai Argaman, Sergey Cheremisinov, and Nocturne. 
Featured music by: Joan as Police Woman

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

0708 | In Eastern Washington

A childhood friend of Israel's comes forward to discuss his time in Colville, Christian Identity, the Keyes family, Israel's early crimes, and more. 

This episode was written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 

TROVA TRIP to ICELAND
Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026 
 
PATREON
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi 
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand 

SPONSORS:
Uncommon Goods • : Get 15% off at 
www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp • : Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at 
www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp • : Get 10% off your first month at 
www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince • : Get free shipping at 
www.Quince.com/TCBS
Featured music by: Kate Dalton. 

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen Studer, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

0707 | My Friend Israel, part 2

A childhood friend of Israel's comes forward to discuss his time in Colville, Christian Identity, the Keyes family, Israel's early crimes, and more. 

This episode was written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 

TROVA TRIP to ICELAND
Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026 
 
PATREON
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi 
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand 

SPONSORS:
Uncommon Goods • : Get 15% off at 
www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp • : Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at 
www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp • : Get 10% off your first month at 
www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince • : Get free shipping at 
www.Quince.com/TCBS
Music by: Denhollander. 

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen Studer, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

0706 | My Friend Israel, part 1

The Cold War, Prohibition, the Gold Rush, the Space Race. Every part of your life - the words you speak, the ideas you share - can be traced to our history, but how well do you really know the stories that made America? We'll take you to the events, the times and the people that shaped our nation. And we'll show you how our history affected them, their families and affects you today. Hosted by Lindsay Graham (not the Senator).

Listen to American History Tellers: Wondery.fm/AHT_TCB

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Listen Now: American History Tellers | The Mayflower

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark 
With additional research by: Kaz 
Audio editing by: Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast) 

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Resources include: 
• The Charlie Project 
• NAMUS 
• The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott? 
• Newspapers.com 
• CNN.com
• Equity Florida Action, Inc

Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book 
Featured music by: Owen Pallett

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Unsafe Spaces: 0103 | It Was Scott (Binge the first season now)

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