Mark Billingham: Two Crime Writers and a Microphone, and The Story Collider

Radio 4Extra explores the world of podcasts and finds the best on offer.

Each week a guest presenter will recommend one or two podcasts from the BBC and beyond. From some of the most popular series, to lesser-known hidden gems, they will feature their favourite finds and speak with the people who make them.

This week Peter McHugh is joined by the creator of Detective Inspector Tom Thorne, the crime writer Mark Billingham, and host of the A Stab In the Dark podcast. They'll be listening to the Two Writers and a Microphone podcast, chatting to its hosts Luca Veste and Steve Cavanagh. And will also be catching up with The Story Collider podcast, true, personal stories about science, and talking to its artistic director, Erin Barker.