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Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of "Covid Disinformation" Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you'll like what you see!

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Today we discuss the experience of returning home after timeway—culture shock, social media, and seeing your home with fresh eyes. Then a difficult set of topics: anorexia, physician assisted suicide, “terminal” diagnoses, social contagions, and what people have a right to do with their own lives. Finally: AI has been used to predict potentially useful drug combinations to fight cancer. What does this mean for the future of medicine, and AI?

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Mentioned in this episode:

Denver Post op-ed on Jane Allen: https://www.denverpost.com/2025/10/02/assisted-suicide-was-offered-to-my-friend-jane-allen-she-had-an-eating-disorder-opinion/

Gaudiani et al 2022. Terminal anorexia nervosa: three cases and proposed clinical characteristics. Journal of Eating Disorders, 10(1): 23: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s40337-022-00548-3.pdf

Guarda et al 2022. Terminal anorexia nervosa is a dangerous term: it cannot, and should not, be defined. Journal of eating disorders, 10(1): 79: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s40337-022-00599-6.pd

Mia Hughes’ tweet thread on social contagions: https://x.com/_CryMiaRiver/status/1491065839495544837

Laura Delano on DarkHorse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XtCdasn2Q&list=PLjQ2gC-5yHEuZwhHfjXu3KH8MomS2N3zq&index=13

Laura Delano’s book, Unshrunk, excerpted at Natural Selections: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/informed-consent-in-the-land-of-psychiatric

How a Gemma model helped discover a new potential cancer therapy pathway: https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemma-ai-cancer-therapy-discovery

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Can the internet make you sick? The 297th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss the Camino de Santiago de Compostela—the history, the experience of hiking two routes, the physical and mental revelations that emerge.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Camino – Primitivo route: https://stingynomads.com/camino-primitivo-stages

Camino – Finisterre route: https://stingynomads.com/camino-finisterre-muxia-stages

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Lessons of the Camino: The 296th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret speaks with Nina Teicholz on the subject of seed oils.

Find Nina Teicholz on X at https://x.com/bigfatsurprise and on Substack at https://unsettledscience.substack.com.

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The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet by Nina Teicholz https://amzn.to/3WzaSYh (commission earned)

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Seeds of Doubt: Nina Teicholz, PhD on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr. Mark Cannon on the subject of the microbiome.

Dr. Mark L Cannon is a Professor Emeritus from Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago and Northwestern University.

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Microbiomes and the World Within: Mark L. Cannon, DDS, MS on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein on confronting the new threat to free speech.

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Defending Free Speech, Again

Today we give a tribute to Charlie Kirk: who he was, how he engaged with people, and what we lost when we lost him. Kirk was a patriot, a Christian, a husband and a father, and believed in the humanity of all people. Then, for the living: regenerative agriculture, Polyface Farm, and the rejection of Big Ag in favor of real food and community.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Robert Malone on the plot to get RFK Jr: https://www.malone.news/p/the-plot-to-get-rfk

Brownstone Institute and Spirits of America: https://brownstone.org/books/
 
Polyface Farm: https://polyfacefarms.com

Back to the Land: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/back-to-the-land

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Honoring Charlie Kirk: The 295th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss MAHA, vaccines, Covid, autism, and ostriches. Senator Ron Johnson held a hearing on the corruption of science, at which Jake Scott (MD), Toby Rogers (PhD), and lawyer Aaron Siri testified about vaccine safety testing and the relationship between vaccines and autism. The new MAHA Strategy report attributes poor diet, aggregation of environmental chemicals, lack of physical activity, chronic stress, and overmedicalization to the decline in children’s health. Meanwhile, people who have been fooled by the fear campaign celebrate getting their newest Covid boosters. And in Canada, ostriches are at risk of being killed because of a misunderstanding of immunity, but people are fighting back. The immune system that defends the body politic is discovering how to defeat the infection. The battle is over the public consciousness.

While we were livestreaming, news broke that Charlie Kirk was shot during an event in Utah and sadly passed away shortly after. 

“Charlie Kirk was a beautiful person. He died engaging his foes honorably. I truly hope he’s right about the universe and is receiving his reward. I’m beyond heartbroken for his lovely family—we must take care of them. Let’s live up to his example.” – Bret Weinstein

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Mentioned in this episode:

Congressional hearing: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/subcommittees/investigations/hearings/how-the-corruption-of-science-has-impacted-public-perception-and-policies-regarding-vaccines/

Childhood vaccines aren’t tested against placebo: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/childhood-vaccines-arent-tested-against

MAHA Strategy report: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/MAHA-Report-The-White-House.pdf

Covid boosters to show RFK: https://x.com/newstart_2024/status/1964562477716558123

Universal Ostrich Farm at Rebel News: https://www.rebelnews.com/breaking_b_c_ostriches_temporarily_saved_from_cfia_cull_by_interim_stay_order

Ostriches - Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/15/why-rfk-jr-wants-canada-to-pardon-400-ostriches-00455360

Ostriches - Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/universal-ostrich-farm-canada-jfk-oz-f6548a6a

Ostriches - WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/08/22/ostrich-bird-flu-canada-cull-rfk/

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We are waking up, but at a terrible price: The 294th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss RFK Jr. the CDC, autism and trans activism. Kennedy revealed this week that in 2002, the CDC destroyed data that showed that children who got the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age had far higher rates of autism than did those who get the vaccine later in life. An HHS report will soon be released that ties Tylenol use during pregnancy to autism—what does this tell us about past public health advice, safety and risk? How can we all become better at pattern recognition? Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo is moving away from vaccine mandates for all citizens, while the governors of the three West coast states are conflating “science” with “ideology” while pining for a Covid-era-style CDC. In trans land: comedy writer Graham Linehan was arrested for saying mean things on-line, while trans-activists are not arrested when they threaten to kick and punch those who don’t believe that men can become women. We explore the mental illness of trans-deluded people, and discuss Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk’s oldest son, who thinks he’s a girl.

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Mentioned in this episode:

RFK before Congress: https://x.com/wallstreetapes/status/1964154838830502080

WSJ on Tylenol in pregnancy: https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/rfk-jr-hhs-to-link-autism-to-tylenol-use-in-pregnancy-and-folate-deficiencies-e3acbb4c

Western Health Alliance: https://apps.oregon.gov/oregon-newsroom/OR/GOV/Posts/Post/oregon-washington-and-california-form-western-health-alliance

Doyle on Linehan arrest in UnHerd: https://unherd.com/2025/09/the-shameful-arrest-of-graham-linehan/

Punch TERFs: https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1963504508509593772

Good genetics: https://x.com/hazelappleyard_/status/1963315154277593109

Vivian Wilson in NY Mag: https://www.thecut.com/article/vivian-wilson-elon-musk-daughter-2025-fall-fashion-issue-cover-story.html

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Staring Down Ignoble Lies: The 293rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss the dust-up at the CDC, in which RFK Jr. fires the new director, after which other CDC officials resign, and eight former directors of the CDC pen a letter to the New York Times (as does Bernie Sanders) arguing that Kennedy is a hazard to our health. This follows a reveal from months ago that industry was collaborating to get rid of Kennedy. Also: What does Trump now think of Operation Warp Speed? How has industrialization affected our health? How are the words “vaccine” and “terrorist” being used in Orwellian ways? Is Kennedy a secret eugenicist, or is he—in fact—exactly the opposite? Finally: a new article on the harms and hazards of both SARS-CoV2 and the mRNA biologics said to counter the virus.

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Mentioned in this episode:
James Lyons-Weiler, on the plot to get RFK, Jr.: https://www.malone.news/p/the-plot-to-get-rfk
NYT op-ed #1 from Bernie Sanders: Kennedy Must Resign: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/opinion/bernie-sanders-robert-f-kennedy-jr-resign-hhs.html
NYT op-ed #2 from former CDC directors: We Ran the C.D.C.: Kennedy Is Endangering Every American’s Health: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/01/opinion/cdc-leaders-kennedy.html
EvoLens #132: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usP2D_qGUZs
 
CDC didn’t monitor VAERS for COVID safety signals (June 2022): https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-covid-vaccine-safety/
Psaki interview with Daskalakis: https://x.com/cathy2nottoday/status/1961242623944835538
 
Daskalakis resignation letter from CDC: https://x.com/dr_demetre/status/1960843433473376602
Zywiec et al 2025. COVID-19 Injections: Harms and Damages, a Non-Exhaustive Conclusion. Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, 30(3): https://jpands.org/vol30no3/zywiec.pdf

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The Plot Against Kennedy: The 292nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss childhood, fitness, and self-defense; the through-line is freedom. First up: Illinois has become the first state in the Union to mandate mental health screening for children in grades 3 – 12, so that conditions from trauma to anxiety can be detected early. How mandatory will these screenings be? How confidential? What is anxiety, and why are children better off learning to experience and solve their own anxiety, than to be coddled at every turn? We argue that anxiety—like pain, and sadness—are signals from your brain and body that should be listened to rather than erased. Also: childhood is a time of exploration, of mixing reality with fantasy, and should not be a time when adults’ fantasies are imposed on children. Then: the New York Times cannot abide that anything that RFK Jr. does or says makes sense. Finally: do people have the right to defend themselves inside their own homes? Have we forgotten habeas corpus? Are the foundations of democracy coming apart at the seams? 

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 Mentioned in this episode:

Governor Pritzker signs bill mandating mental health checks for schoolkids: https://news.wttw.com/2025/07/31/pritzker-signs-legislation-implement-universal-mental-health-screenings-illinois-schools

Illinois Bill 1560: https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-1560-mental-hlth-kids-beacon/2645551/

NYT on the fitness challenge of Kennedy and Hegseth: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/25/style/hegseth-rfk-jr-fitness-challenge.html

Breaking and entering report from the Kawartha Lakes Police Service: https://kawarthalakespolice.com/media-releases/media-release-august-18-2025-break-and-enter-assault

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Freedom, Tyranny, and Childhood Lost: The 291st Evolutionary Lens w/ Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr. Toby Rogers on the subject of the economics of autism.

Find Toby Rogers on X at https://x.com/uTobian and on Substack at https://tobyrogers.substack.com.

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Mentioned in this episode:

- Please see Toby Roger’s doctoral thesis, The Political Economy of Autism for links to studies mentioned https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf 
- For example, the first autism prevalence study is linked in his References https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/490240 
- Hunter Gatherer's Guide https://amzn.to/40fPWqP (commission earned)
- The Moth in the Iron Lung https://amzn.to/3PHrHNb (commission earned)
- Bandom Health Project https://www.bandim.org
- Christine Stable Ben's Ted Talk https://youtu.be/_d8PNlXHJ48?si=5REOXsVpE7PrkTeI

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Unsafe at Any Speed: Dr. Toby Rogers on DarkHorse

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