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The Rest Is Politics’ Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart interview politicians, leaders, intellectuals, and more. 

From inside and outside of politics, guests join Rory and Alastair to discuss life, leadership, and the philosophy that’s led them to success in their chosen field. Their conversations cover key political events, global affairs, and the big ideas shaping the world today, offering listeners in-depth perspectives from those at the heart of change.

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What tactic did Donald Trump steal from Gordon Brown? What can we learn from when Labour beat UKIP in the 2012 Rotherham by-election when it comes to taking on Farage? As a New Labour alumnus, why does John Healey think there was more patience for change in 1997 compared to 2024? 

Rory and Alastair are joined by John Healey, The Secretary of State for Defence, to discuss all this and more. 

For Leading listeners, there’s free access to the Wordsmith Academy - plus their report on the future of legal skills. Visit https://www.wordsmithai/politics

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156. Defence Secretary, John Healey: Is Britain Ready For War?

Why does the former Secretary of State think the US is going too soft on Russia and China? What was it like working closely with President Trump? Why did Putin invade Europe under Obama and Biden, but not Trump? 

Alastair and Rory are joined by Mike Pompeo, former US Secretary of State and CIA-Director, to discuss all this and more. 

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

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Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiworks.

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155. Mike Pompeo On Russia, Trump, and China

How do we tackle global poverty and fight for change? What qualities are needed in a leadership role? Is the Labour government delivering on the issue of inequality in the UK?

Rory and Alastair are joined by captain of the England Rugby team, Maro Itoje, to discuss all this and more.

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your FREE TRIAL at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair’s miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord.

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Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiworks.

Social Producer: Harry Balden

Video Editor: Teo Ayodeji-Ansell

Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell

Producer: Nicole Maslen

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154. Maro Itoje: Inequality, Identity, and Hope

Tim Berners-Lee could be one of the richest men on the planet, why did he forfeit such large profits to make the World Wide Web a free and open space? How do we reclaim the internet from social media companies taking away our sovereignty? Have tech giants like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk thanked Tim for his invention? 

Rory and Alastair are joined by Sir Tim Berners-Lee to discuss all this and more. 

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

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Social Producer: Harry Balden

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153. The Man Who Invented The World Wide Web (Tim Berners-Lee)

Why is the humanitarian situation in Gaza the worst that James Elder has ever seen? What does the process of rebuilding Gaza look like? How do the people working on the ground not lose hope? 

UNICEF spokesperson James Elder joins Alastair and Rory to answer all these questions and more. 

To donate to UNICEF UK's Gaza appeal visit unicef.uk/gaza-podcast. £30 could help provide life-saving therapeutic food for a child for 3 weeks. 

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

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For US customers, Revolut is not a bank. Banking services and card issuance are provided by Lead Bank, Member FDIC. Visa® and Mastercard® cards issued under license. Funds are FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Lead Bank, in the event Lead Bank fails. Fees may apply. See full terms in description. For Irish customers, Revolut Bank UAB is authorised and regulated by the Bank of Lithuania in the Republic of Lithuania and by the European Central Bank and is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland for conduct of business rules. For AU customers, consider PDS & TMD at revolut.com/en-AU. Revolut Payments Australia Pty Ltd (AFSL 517589).

TRIP Plus:

Become a member of The Rest Is Politics Plus to support the podcast, receive our exclusive newsletter, enjoy ad-free listening to both TRIP and Leading, benefit from discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, join our Discord chatroom, and receive early access to live show tickets and Question Time episodes.

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Social Producer: Harry Balden

Video Editor: Harry Swan + Charlie Rodwell

Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell

Producer: Nicole Maslen

Senior Producer: Dom Johnson

Head of Content: Tom Whiter

Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
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152. "A War on Children": A Generation in Gaza at Risk (James Elder)

Why is the nation with the world’s richest sovereign wealth fund not ‘universally happy’? What can the UK learn from Norway’s relationship with the EU? Is Jonas Gahr Støre really standing between Trump and a Nobel Peace Prize? 

Alastair and Rory are joined by The Prime Minister of Norway, Jonas Gahr Støre, to discuss all this and more.

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

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Social Producer: Harry Balden

Video Editor: Teo Ayodeji-Ansell

Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell

Producer: Nicole Maslen

Senior Producer: Dom Johnson

Head of Content: Tom Whiter

Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
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151. Prime Minister of Norway: On Trump, Tech, and Brexit Lessons (Jonas Gahr Støre)

How did the media and Westminster impact the Scottish Referendum? Why are spin rooms "utterly pointless" in Nicola's view? Is misogyny in politics as bad as it used to be, or getting worse due to social media? 

Rory and Alastair are joined by Nicola Sturgeon for part 2 of their interview to answer all these questions and more.

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.

Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your FREE TRIAL at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair’s miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord.

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Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen

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150. Nicola Sturgeon: What Really Happened In The Scottish Referendum (Part 2)

What is the difference between class distinctions in Scotland and the rest of the UK? How did Nicola Sturgeon's childhood in Scotland inform her politics? What was Margaret Thatcher's influence on Nicola's career?

Rory and Alastair are joined by former Leader of the SNP and First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, to answer all these questions and more. 

Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your FREE TRIAL at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair’s miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord.

Visit HP.com/politics to find out more. 

Social Producer: Harry Balden

Video Editor: Josh Smith

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Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen

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149. Nicola Sturgeon: On Margaret Thatcher, Alex Salmond, and the Push for Independence (Part 1)

How does Guyana balance its unprecedented economic growth, largely due to oil discoveries, with environmental sustainability? How does Guyana perceive and address the historical scar left by slavery? What has happened to West Indies cricket, and how does the future look?

Alastair is joined by President of Guyana, Ifraan Ali, to answer all these questions and more.

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148. The President of Guyana: The Fastest Growing Economy in the World (Irfaan Ali)

What was it like to be handed the reins to the economy following the Liz Truss mini-budget collapse? How did Jeremy Hunt feel fighting an election that he knew the Conservatives would lose? How would Thatcher have dealt with Trump? 

Alastair and Rory are joined by former Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to answer all this and more. 

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Social Producer: Celine Charles 

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Producer: Nicole Maslen

Senior Producer: Dom Johnson

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147. I Thought It Was a Prank - Then I Was Chancellor: Jeremy Hunt (Part 2)

What makes homo sapiens unique from other living creatures? What will happen to society if artificial intelligence dictates culture? Why have conservative parties the world over “committed suicide”? 

Join Rory and Alastair for the second part of their discussion with historian and intellectual Yuval Noah Harari. 

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31: Yuval Noah Harari: The dangers of AI and the future of humanity (Part 2)

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