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The Ringer

Dave Chang has a few questions. Besides being the chef of the Momofuku restaurants and the creator and host of Netflix’s 'Ugly Delicious,' Dave is an avid student and fan of sports, music, art, film, and, of course, food. In ranging conversations that cover everything from the creative process to his guest’s guiltiest pleasures, Dave and a rotating cast of smart, thought-provoking guests talk about their inspirations, failures, successes, fame, and identities.

The Dave Chang Show

Dave makes karaage for special guest, HIKARI, director of 'Beef', 'Tokyo Vice', and now her new movie 'Rental Family'. HIKARI and Dave discuss why Osaka is so unique, the idiosyncrasies of Japanese life as seen by both of them while living in Japan, and even a little about the dark underside of such an amazing country. Dave also answers an Ask Dave about knives and asks some inappropriate dinner conversations to his producer Young David.

Follow HIKARI on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehikarism/?hl=en

Watch Rental Family at a theater near you: https://www.searchlightpictures.com/rental-family

Watch Beef: https://www.netflix.com/title/81447461?source=35&fromWatch=true

Watch Tokyo Vice: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/tokyo-vice/e7d93204-7f98-4e62-ab52-6c1da053f942?utm_source=universal_search

Learn more about Cuckoo Rice Cookers: https://cuckooamerica.com/collections/rice-cookers?srsltid=AfmBOoqKKH6idxt7URkt0WRD9tmKwN00UphoWNeBAX7HdTA2oCmsEMw0

Learn more about Otafuku: https://www.instagram.com/otafuku_restaurant/?hl=en

Learn more about the movie Chef: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883512/

Learn more about WUSTHOF Knives: https://wusthof.com/

Learn more about Henckels: https://www.henckels.com/us

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: HIKARI

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff and Nikola Stanjevich

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Japan: Feeling Seen With HIKARI

Dave makes a great party dish, japchae, for a party person, Courtney McBroom: co-author with Brie Larson of the new cookbook ‘Party People.’ (0:01) Dave and Courtney talk about party etiquette, things that should change about parties, and make a lot of jokes (6:43). Finally, Dave and Courtney eat and play a new game, Inappropriate Dinner Conversations, and get into things you're not supposed to talk about at the table (47:45)!

Get your copy of Party People by Brie Larson and Courtney McBroom: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/782964/party-people-by-brie-larson-and-courtney-mcbroom/

Follow Courtney McBroom on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtney_mcbroom/?hl=en

Follow Brie Larson on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brielarson/?hl=en

Watch Courtney and Dave on Recipe Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhFIqEAWKU

Watch our interview with Alison Roman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EptOFMl1Tg

Learn more about Pop-Tarts: https://www.poptarts.com/

Learn more about Toaster Strudel: https://www.pillsbury.com/products/toaster-strudel

Get your copy of Dave's book with Priya Krishna about loving your microwave: https://amzn.to/3M1ARpe 

Learn more about Nine Orchard: https://nineorchard.com/ 

Learn more about ZZ's Club: https://zzsclub.com/ 

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Courtney McBroom

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Partying With Courtney McBroom

On today's autumnal apple-themed episode, Dave has his old pal Chris on to play a new game and see how they measure up to their competition. Then, Dave makes three different apple dishes while talking about how apples are a secret savory weapon, and answers an Ask Dave on seasoning.

Learn more about Cafe Boulud: https://cafeboulud.com/nyc/

Watch Ugly Delicious: https://www.netflix.com/title/80170368

Learn more about Zingerman's Deli: https://www.zingermansdeli.com/

Learn more about Single Thread Farms: https://singlethreadfarms.com/

Learn more about Asador Etxebarri: https://www.asadoretxebarri.com/en/home

Watch our episode with Alex Stupak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCdFb23xOTw

Get your copy of the Top Chef cookbook by Tom Colicchio: https://amzn.to/4p6AhoH

Get your copy of 'Think Like a Chef' by Tom Colicchio:

https://amzn.to/4oCyaJl

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Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Chris Ying

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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How Do You Like These Apples?

Dave reconnects with a friend he hasn't seen in years, author of the newly released book ‘Smart Mouth’ and founder of RAMONA beverages, Jordan Salcito (0:01). The duo discusses the best wines in the world, the trick to blind tasting, and why Dave might just have to move to France. Dave answers a new Ask Dave about when to splurge on a restaurant (53:25), and prepares a braised oxtail dish in response to a previous Ask Dave (1:01:23). 

Follow Jordan on social media at: https://www.instagram.com/jordansalcito/?hl=en

Get your copy of Jordan's book Smart Mouth: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/639495/smart-mouth-by-jordan-salcito/

Learn more about Ramona: https://www.drinkramona.com/

Learn more about Daniel: https://www.danielnyc.com/

Watch our episode with Alex Stupak: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7dIkl0iP0adSDAHLwz607I?si=2A0CyivfT1yAanQJ3phI4Q

Watch our wine episode with the Anajak Thai team: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2yk9JG0B1wBUaoQPOck6CE?si=C8vHnNIcTi6jv4kUSH5agA

First recommended wine Bereche & Fils: https://www.bereche.com/en

Recommended Pierre Peters Champagne: https://www.champagne-peters.com/en/cuvee-reserve

Recommended Chartogne-Taillet Champagne: https://chartogne-taillet.com/en

Learn more about Jordan's ideal cheap bottle if she could go back in time: https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+armand+rousseau+pere+chambertin+grand+cru+le+gevrey+cote+de+nuit+burgundy+france/1990?srsltid=AfmBOoqp8VQO960n9e_OR84hH3GXMPlTiEuiBKnIQG8LOB5XZAGXkB7x

Pierre herme: https://www.pierreherme.com/en/

Learn more about Anajak Thai: https://www.anajakthai.com/

Learn more about Four Horsemen: https://www.fourhorsemenbk.com/

Learn more about i Cavallini: https://www.icavallinibk.com/

Learn more about Providence: https://providencela.com/

Learn more about Mariscos Jalisco:https://www.mariscosjalisco.net/

Learn more about Blue Ribbon: https://www.blueribbonrestaurants.com/

Learn more about Mitch Bates' restaurant Oji Seichi: https://www.ojiseichi.com/

Learn more about Majordomo: https://www.momofuku.com/restaurants/majordomo

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Jordan Salcito

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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France, Wine, and French Wine With Jordan Salcito

Dave talks to a true multi-hyphenate, the political adviser, author, and, of course, chef Sam Kass. They talk about how he found his way into cooking for the Obama family at the White House (7:05), the dangers of our current food consumption (21:45), and what changes consumers and our government can, and have to, make to keep our favorite foods and food systems alive. After the interview, Dave answers an Ask Dave on homemade condiments (1:02:30) before finishing Part 2 of his ramen cooking, creating the broths and tares, and bringing it all together with the noodles from the cooking segment in Ruby Tandoh's episode (1:08:12). He serves his completed, and delicious, ramen to some special guests.

Get your copy of Sam's book 'The Last Supper': https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-last-supper-how-to-overcome-the-future-food-crisis-sam-kass/7c6d969635265644.

Learn more about Acre Venture Partners: https://acre.vc/.

Learn more about Avec: https://www.avecrestaurant.com/.

Learn more about Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign: https://letsmove.obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/.

Learn more about SHIA: https://shiarestaurant.org/?.

Learn more about Blue Hill at Stone Barns: https://www.bluehillfarm.com/.

Learn more about Inari: https://inari.com/.

Learn more about Asahikawa Ramen Aoba: https://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~aoba1948/.

Learn more about Benton's: https://www.bentonscountryham.com/.

Learn more about Mugaritz: https://www.mugaritz.com/en/.

Learn more about Café Boulud: https://cafeboulud.com/nyc/.

Learn more about Pizzeria Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/.

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

Subscribe to Recipe Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@recipeclubofficial.

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Try Claude for free today at Claude.ai/DaveChang.

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Sam Kass

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Fixing Our Foodways With Sam Kass

Dave interviews and catches up with chef and restaurateur Michael Mina (8:45). They discuss the significance of Michael Mina's Aqua restaurant, how he changed kitchen systems for the better, and the expectations put on a chef vs. a restaurateur. Dave then answers a protein-focused Ask Dave before making a lobster pot pie à la Mina himself (51:27) and testing a new segment with show favorites Chris Ying and Noelle Cornelio (1:17:48).

Learn more about the Mina Group: https://theminagroup.com/ Learn more about Michael Mina's Bourbon Steak in San Francisco at the St. Francis: https://www.bourbonsteak.com/location/san-francisco/ Learn more about Bourbon Steak DC: https://www.bourbonsteakdc.com/ Learn more about Masters of Scale: https://mastersofscale.com/ Listen to Dave's interview with Guy Kawasaki at Masters of Scale: https://guykawasaki.com/from-chef-to-dad-david-changs-new-definition-of-success/ Learn more about Michael Mina's restaurant with Ayesha Curry: https://internationalsmoke.com/ Learn more about Michael Mina's new bourbon speakeasy with Stephen Curry: https://the8thrule.com/ Listen to our Protein episode with Michael Ormsbee: https://open.spotify.com/episode/24ogvRPFU70iUr4JLGafJZ?si=qNw73UNQQtauCyXbgoP3eg Learn more about Noma: https://noma.dk/ 

Try Claude for free today at Claude.ai/DaveChang

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Michael Mina

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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From Chef to Restaurateur With Michael Mina

Dave talks to Ruby Tandoh, bestselling food writer and author of 'All Consuming: Why We Eat the Way We Eat Now,' about the big topics in food media today (0:01). From what food criticism looks like with the new democratization of influencer-critics to the future of recipe creation, Dave and Ruby discuss complicated questions that many in food culture are asking. Dave answers an Ask Dave (55:55), then finishes with the first segment of a two-part ramen recipe by making the noodles (59:10).

Get your copy of Ruby's book 'All-Consuming: Why We Eat the Way We Eat Now': https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/805767/all-consuming-by-ruby-tandoh/ 

Check out The Great British Baking Show: https://www.netflix.com/title/80063224 

Learn more about Keith Lee

Learn more about Eating with Tod

Learn more about Ertan Bek: https://www.tiktok.com/@newyorkturk

Read the article Dave mentions about social media: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/are-you-experiencing-posting-ennui 

Get your copy of Samin Nosrat's 'Good Things: Recipes and Rituals to Share with People You Love': https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/622646/good-things-by-samin-nosrat/ 

Check out the AI site Dave discusses: Chopped.com 

Read about the 'Ugly Delicious' BBQ episode: https://www.eater.com/2018/2/23/17031744/ugly-delicious-barbecue-recap-season-1-episode-5 

Learn more about Dayne's BBQ: https://daynescraftbarbecue.com/ 

Learn more about KG BBQ: https://www.kgbbq.com/ 

Learn more about Interstellar BBQ: https://www.theinterstellarbbq.com/ 

Listen to our podcast with Dan Giusti: https://open.spotify.com/episode/31XgW8AtRSdEwGmNeLESrF?si=yUmGxoZLS1WsIOFE3M-zbw 

Learn more about Sun Noodle: https://sunnoodle.com/ 

Learn more about LaFrieda Meats: https://www.lafrieda.com/ 

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

Subscribe to Recipe Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@recipeclubofficial.

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Join our community Discord on majordomo.com.

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Ruby Tandoh

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Modern Food Media With Ruby Tandoh

Today, Dave sits down with Eric Wareheim and Gabe Ulla, authors of the new book 'Steak House: The People, the Places, the Recipes'. Amongst friends, the discussion ranges from the magic of steakhouses to the ideal steakhouse order. The myriad types of potato sides are listed, the right way to order a martini is declared, and the idea of the steak dinner celebration as a descendant of the old-school hunt and sacrifice is posed. Dave also cooks a wet-aged and a dry-aged (or, at least, a little less wet-aged) steak for the cowriting duo.

Get Eric and Gabe's book Steak House: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/723311/steak-house-by-eric-wareheim-with-gabe-ulla/

Follow Eric online: https://www.instagram.com/ericwareheim/

Follow Gabe online: https://www.instagram.com/gabeulla/

Get Dave's memoir written with Gabe, Eat a Peach: https://amzn.to/4owNoPs

Learn more about Majordomo: https://www.momofuku.com/restaurants/majordomo

Learn more about Dal Rae: https://www.dalrae.com/

Learn more about Pappas Bros.: https://pappasbros.com/home/

Learn more about Beef 'N Bottle: https://beefandbottle.net/

Learn more about Little Red Barn Steakhouse: https://lrbsteakhouse.com/

Learn more about Circus Circus' The Steak House: https://www.circuscircus.com/restaurants-1/the-steak-house/

Learn more about Morton's: https://www.mortons.com/ 

Learn more about Gallagher's: https://www.gallaghersnysteakhouse.com/ 

Learn more about The Grill NYC: https://thegrillnewyork.com/ 

Learn more about Cream Co. Meats: https://creamcomeats.com/

Learn more about Cote NYC: https://www.cotekoreansteakhouse.com/

Learn more about Langer's: https://www.langersdeli.com/

Learn more about Clearman's: https://clearmansrestaurants.com/

Learn more about Taylor's: https://taylorssteakhouse.com/

Learn more about Peter Luger: https://peterluger.com/

Learn more about Musso and Frank: https://mussoandfrank.com/

Learn more about House of Prime Rib: https://www.houseofprimerib.net/ 

Learn more about Golden Steer: https://goldensteer.com/

Learn more about Gramercy Tavern: https://www.gramercytavern.com/

Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/ 

Learn more about Magnus Nilsson's new restaurant Furuhem: https://furuhem.com/

Listen to our episode with chef Josh Niland: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2mDhY3Z73PJHcZm5btZ8zi?si=leIfmPBTR7Wj4jgJb5ABWg 

Learn more about St. Peter: https://www.saintpeter.com.au/ 

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

Subscribe to Recipe Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@recipeclubofficial.

Submit your favorite food moments in your favorite movies to majorfoodporn.com.

Join our community Discord on majordomo.com.

Try Claude for free today at Claude.ai/DaveChang

Host: Dave Chang

Guests: Eric Wareheim and Gabe Ulla

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Steak With Eric Wareheim and Gabe Ulla

Dave interviews Stephen Starr, restaurateur extraordinaire and head of the STARR restaurant group. They talk about Stephen's special skill sets, from his capacity for taking big swings to discovering and fostering great talent. The duo also talks about the pros and cons of operating big and small restaurants, common mistakes that people make financially when opening restaurants, and what it is like to be the Yankees of food. Dave finishes with an Ask Dave about Japanese restaurants.

Learn more about STARR Restaurant Group: https://starr-restaurants.com/ 

Learn more about Babbo: https://babbonyc.com/ 

Listen to our episode with Mark Ladner on the re-opening of Babbo with Stephen: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5qjEx81gP1UuGxHwoxjqfq?si=dmyq-uFrSPuJStb2-gGCyg 

Learn more aboutLettuce Entertain You: https://www.lettuce.com/ 

Read the New York Times profile on Stephen Starr: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/dining/stephen-starr-restaurants.html 

Learn more about Buddakan NYC: https://buddakannyc.com/

Learn more about Per Se: https://thomaskeller.com/perseny/ 

Learn more about Le Mercerie: https://www.lamercerieny.com/ 

Learn more about Borromini: https://borrominiristorante.com/ 

Learn more about The Continental: https://continentalmidtown.com/ 

Learn more about Parc: https://parc-restaurant.com/ 

Learn more about Eleven Madison Park: https://www.elevenmadisonpark.com/ 

Learn more about Buddakan: https://buddakan.com/ 

Read about Dave Chang in TIME Top 100: https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984940_1984944,00.html 

Learn more about Le Coucou: https://lecoucou.com/ 

Learn more about The Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown episode with Daniel Boulud: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3717664/ 

Learn more about Jon and Vinny's: https://www.jonandvinnys.com/ 

Learn more about Cafe Spaghetti: https://www.cafespaghetti.com/ 

Learn more about St. Anselm: https://starr-restaurants.com/restaurants/st-anselm/ 

Learn more about Le Diplomate: https://lediplomatedc.com/

Learn more about Table from chef Bruno Verjus: https://table.paris/

Learn more about Mawn: https://mawnphilly.com/ 

Learn more about Pastis Nashville: https://pastisnashville.com/ 

Learn more about Monk Kyoto: https://restaurant-monk.com

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Stephen Starr

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Engineer: Belle Roman

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Taking Big Swings With Stephen Starr

Dave interviews someone as pessimistically optimistic as him today: Alex Stupak, chef and founder of Empellón. Dave and Alex talk about the dark arts of sandbagging (2:33), the end of "high/low" dining, and the history of food leading to today (6:28). They also discuss selling out, Alex's new social media presence, and the origin of ideas. Somehow, by the end of the podcast, these two "pessimists" end up hopeful for the future of the cooking world, even with AI imminent (1:27:49).

Follow Alex Stupak on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alexstupak/ 

Learn more about Empellón: https://www.empellon.com/ 

Learn more about The Otter: https://www.theotter.nyc/ 

Learn more about Providence: https://providencela.com/ 

Learn more about Monkey Bar: https://www.nycmonkeybar.com/ 

Learn more about 4 Charles Prime Rib: https://www.nycprimerib.com/ 

Learn more about Corner Store: https://www.thecornerstoresoho.com/ 

Learn more about Alinea: https://www.alinearestaurant.com/ 

Learn more about El Bulli: https://elbullifoundation.com/en/ 

Watch A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica: https://www.metallica.com/releases/films/a-year-and-a-half-in-the-life-of-metallica-film.html 

Watch Dinner Time Live: https://www.netflix.com/title/81748864

Learn more about Frenchette: https://www.frenchettenyc.com/ 

Learn more about Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/los-angeles 

Check out the Tartine Bread book: https://amzn.to/3KRMoqQ 

Learn more about Spumoni Gardens: https://spumonigardens.com/ 

Learn more about Patsy's Pizzeria: https://www.patsyspizzerianyc.com/ 

Learn more about Scarr's Pizza: https://www.scarrspizza.com/ 

Learn more about Ceres Pizza: https://www.instagram.com/ceres.nyc/ 

Learn more about Apollonias: http://www.apolloniaspizzeria.com/ 

Learn more about Seiji Yamamoto: https://guide.michelin.com/en/article/people/3stars-ryugin-seiji-yamamoto-the-knife-technique 

Learn more about Atomix: https://www.atomixnyc.com/ 

Learn more about Le Veau D'or: https://www.lvdnyc.com/ 

Learn more about Stretch Pizza: https://www.stretchpizzanyc.com/ 

Learn more about Salt Hank's: https://salthanks.com/ 

Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or askdave@majordomomedia.com.

Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow.

Subscribe to Recipe Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@recipeclubofficial.

Submit your favorite food moments in your favorite movies to majorfoodporn.com.

Join our community Discord on majordomo.com.

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Alex Stupak

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Engineer: Belle Roman

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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How We Consume Now With Alex Stupak

Dave and Chris Ying explore the idea of restaurants selling consumer packaged goods and review some home cooking equipment (1:39) before calling up renowned landscape artist Lily Kwong to discuss how COVID-19 has impacted her industry and how the idea for Freedom Gardens came about (36:53).
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CPG, Normal Pot, and Too Small to Fail, Vol. 9 With Lily Kwong

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