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UnHerd

Freddie Sayers from online magazine UnHerd seeks out top scientists, writers, politicians and thinkers for in-depth interviews to try and help us work out what’s really going on. What started as an inquiry into the pandemic has broadened into a fascinating look at free speech, science, meaning and the ideas shaping our world.

Due to popular demand here is a podcast version of our YouTube — available to watch, for free here or by searching ‘LockdownTV’.

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UnHerd with Freddie Sayers

On what would have been her 100th birthday, Freddie Sayers chairs a spirited debate on Thatcherism and the Iron Lady’s place in Britain’s story. How should we understand her legacy in 2025? Did she transform the country for the better — or does she bear responsibility for many of today’s problems? In this all-star debate, journalists Peter Hitchens and Suzanne Moore go head-to-head with former Conservative politician and Spectator editor Michael Gove, and political analyst Reem Ibrahim, in a lively clash over the most divisive figure in modern British history.
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Hitchens & Moore vs. Gove & Ibrahim: The Thatcher Debate

Freddie Sayers sits down with Professor of Politics at the University of Buckingham, Eric Kaufmann, to discuss his latest report on “The Decline of Trans and Queer Identity among Young Americans”, which reveals a significant and surprising shift in the landscape of gender and sexual identity among Generation Z. Professor Kaufmann explains his findings, which show a sharp drop in both trans and queer identification since 2023. Drawing on data from large-scale surveys of US undergraduates, he details how the share of trans-identified students has nearly halved in just two years. Their discussion explores the data, including trends in elite institutions, and delves into the potential reasons for this decline. Is it linked to changes in mental health, the growing distance from the pandemic and lockdowns, or the so-called “anti-woke” vibe shift?
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Deep dive: Is this the end of trans?

Freddie Sayers sits down with renowned cognitive psychologist, author, and Harvard Professor of Psychology Steven Pinker to discuss his latest book, When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows... and explore how common knowledge shapes our social, political, and economic worlds. 

Their conversation delves into the power and pitfalls of collective thinking, the dynamics of cancel culture and censorship, and the Trump administration’s clashes with academic institutions like Harvard. They also consider whether democracy is in decline, if society is losing its shared sense of reality, and whether there’s still reason to be optimistic about the future.

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Steven Pinker: Questions that shouldn't be asked

UnHerd’s Contributing Editor Jonny Ball (aka Despotic Inroad) sits down with Lord Maurice Glasman, the Labour peer and political theorist behind Blue Labour, at Labour party conference 2025 in Liverpool. UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer is under fire and polling as the least popular on record — Glasman argues that the party faces a battle for its very soul.

In this conversation, he traces the history of the movement he founded, Blue Labour, and its critique of the Labour party’s transformation into what he sees as metropolitan and liberal, detached from its working-class roots. Glasman highlights how the working class and young voters are drifting to Nigel Farage’s Reform, why the best predictor of whether you vote Labour is whether you went to private school, and what it would take to reverse Labour’s decline: a renewed focus on industrial strategy, job creation, and working-class empowerment.

Can Blue Labour stop Reform’s rise and save Labour? Could Reform actually replace Labour as the voice of working people? And what, if anything, should Labour learn from MAGA and Trump’s populist success?

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Lord Maurice Glasman: Could Blue Labour stop Reform?

UnHerd’s Freddie Sayers welcomes Paul Kingsnorth to the UnHerd Club an exclusive interview about his new book Against the Machine. 

Kingsnorth has spent decades charting the alienation and upheaval brought about by modernity. In this wide-ranging interview he sets out why he sees today’s technological order as inhuman, why AI may be the 'Antichrist', and why he believes the West must be allowed to die.

What does it mean to live as a dissident inside the Machine? And what lines must we draw if we are to remain human?

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Paul Kingsnorth: How to fight the Machine

Has the political Right become what it once despised? In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination, a wave of firings and online campaigns has many asking if a "woke right" has finally arrived, adopting the very tactics of cancel culture it used to condemn. Freddie Sayers sits down with author and commentator James Lindsay for a conversation about this dangerous new chapter in the culture wars. As calls for "retribution" grow louder, what is the line between legitimate accountability for those in public trust and the illiberal, mob-like vengeance taking hold?
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James Lindsay: Beware Right-wing cancel culture

Freddie Sayers speaks with Dr. Martin Kulldorff — co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration and newly appointed chair of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) — to discuss his and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s views on vaccines, the recent turmoil at the CDC that has seen senior officials resign or be removed, and his reflections on the global pandemic response, from Sweden’s no-lockdown strategy to the United States’ vaccine mandates.
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Dr Martin Kulldorff: What I told RFK Jr about vaccines

In the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, what does this precarious moment mean for American politics? UnHerd's Freddie Sayers speaks to Thomas Chatterton Williams, author of 'Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse' about the eerie parallels between 2020 and 2025.
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Thomas Chatterton Williams: The centre cannot hold

Freddie Sayers is joined by Undercurrents host Emily Jashinsky, reporting from the White House, and UnHerd's US Editor Sohrab Ahmari to discuss the immediate aftermath of the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk. On the somber anniversary of September 11th, they analyse the profound and frightening fallout, including the sense that a "seal has been broken" in American politics, the potential for a J. Edgar Hoover-style crackdown on left-wing groups by an angered Trump administration, and the grim question of whether civil debate can survive in an era of escalating violence.
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Is Charlie Kirk's murder a tipping point?

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UnHerd’s Freddie Sayers speaks with journalist and author Matt Taibbi. A former Rolling Stone reporter and now publisher of Racket News, Taibbi was chosen by Elon Musk to help release the “Twitter Files,” exposing political and government influence on online speech.

In this conversation, he reflects on Musk’s promise to turn Twitter into a “digital town square,” the re-platforming of Trump and other controversial voices, and the mission creep that has left X accused of amplifying right-wing politics while throttling critics.

Has Musk delivered a freer public square? And how do these questions play out in Britain, where viral flashpoints like “Sophie of Dundee” and the arrest of writer Graham Linehan at Heathrow over X posts about trans issues have turned free speech into a front-line cultural battle?

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Matt Taibbi: Has Elon Musk ruined politics?

Emily Jashinsky, UnHerd’s DC Correspondent, joins Freddie Sayers to give a blow-by-blow of last night’s Trump v. Biden debate and a closer look at the media reaction as it happened.
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Emily Jashinsky: Will the Democrats ditch Joe Biden?

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