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Listen closer to pop music — hear how it moves us. Hosted by musicologist Nate Sloan & songwriter Charlie Harding. From Vulture and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Switched on Pop

Going for broke turned out to be the most honest thing Slayyyter ever made. After financial losses and a depressive episode that left her ready to quit music entirely, Slayyyter entered the studio planning to make one final album. In this conversation, she traces how that desperation shaped every decision on Worst Girl in America. This conversation will leave you feeling Daddy AF. 

SONGS DISCUSSED

 Slayyyter – "Daddy AF"

 Slayyyter – "Brittany Murphy"

 Slayyyter – "Dance"

 Slayyyter – "Crank"

 Slayyyter – "Gas Station"

 Slayyyter – "Beat Up Chanels"

 Slayyyter – "Old Technology"

 Slayyyter – "Yes God"

 Slayyyter – "Unknown Lovers"

 Slayyyter – "Cannibalism"

 Slayyyter – "Actually Kind of Famous"

 Slayyyter – "What It's Like to Be Liked"

 Slayyyter – "Mine"

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Slayyyter might actually be the 'Worst Girl in America'

Charlie Puth joins Switched On Pop in Studio A at Power Station at Berklee NYC, live before a room of current students, ten days after performing the national anthem at Super Bowl 60 and weeks before releasing his fourth album, Whatever's Clever. The conversation is grounded in one question: how do you absorb the music you love and turn it into something that actually sounds like you?

Puth traces his national anthem arrangement through a lineage running from Jose Feliciano's 1968 World Series performance to Marvin Gaye's 808-driven 1983 All-Star Game version to Whitney Houston's 1991 Super Bowl rendition. The through-line: citation is letting your influences dissolve into your hands until they become unrecognizable. That principle runs throughout the new record, from the Quincy Jones guitar tone on "Cry" to the Chick Corea quotation buried in "Boy" that Puth didn't realize was there until after writing it.

Songs Discussed

Bruce Springsteen – "Born in the USA"

Madonna – "Like a Virgin"

David Bowie – "Let's Dance"

Charlie Puth ft. Wiz Khalifa – "See You Again"

Charlie Puth – "We Don't Talk Anymore"

Charlie Puth – "Attention"

Charlie Puth – "Light Switch"

Whitney Houston – "The Star-Spangled Banner"

Babyface – "Whip Appeal"

Jose Feliciano – "The Star-Spangled Banner"

Jimi Hendrix – "The Star-Spangled Banner"

Marvin Gaye – "The Star-Spangled Banner"

Marvin Gaye – "Sexual Healing"

Soulja Boy – "Crank That (Soulja Boy)"

DeBarge – "Who's Holding Donna Now"

Charlie Puth ft. Jeff Goldblum – "Until It Happens to You"

Charlie Puth – "Changes"

Charlie Puth – "Cry"

Kenny G – "Lullaby"

SOPHIE – "It's Okay to Cry"

Michael Jackson – "Human Nature"

Johnny Hates Jazz – "Shattered Dreams"

Madonna – "Into the Groove"

Joshua Redman – "St. Thomas"

Charlie Puth – "Boy"

Chick Corea – "Spain"

Charlie Puth – "How Long (Has This Been Going On)"

Bell Biv DeVoe – "Poison"

Elton John – "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me"

Prince – "When Doves Cry"

Schoolly D – "PSK What Does It Mean"

Rick Astley – "Never Gonna Give You Up"

Charlie Puth – "Beat Yourself Up"

Britney Spears – "Lucky"

George Benson – "Give Me the Night"

No Doubt – "Hella Good"

Michael Jackson – "Beat It"

Michael Jackson – "Billie Jean"

Charlie Puth – "Washed Up"

Charlie Puth – "I Used to Be Cringe"

Richard Smallwood – "Center of My Joy"

Richard Smallwood – "Total Praise"
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How Charlie Puth honored Whitney Houston for 125 million people (live at Berklee NYC)

RAYE names Amy Winehouse and Edith Piaf as her artistic predecessors on the opening tracks of new album This Music May Contain Hope. Both died young, undone by the same darkness they sang about, and placing them there reads as a dare to herself. The album that follows is her attempt to find a different ending: a 17-track, 75-minute work featuring Al Green, Hans Zimmer, the London Symphony Orchestra, and over 80 collaborators, structured around the four seasons as a journey from autumn despair toward summer light. 

Every genre shift on the record, from Vivaldi's Winter to post-bop jazz combo to gospel choir, serves that arc: small emotional truths get cinematic treatment, most strikingly when the click of heels on pavement becomes the central rhythm of an anthem about getting dressed to go out with friends. The episode serves as a field guide to the album's vast musical language, and to the argument that hope is something you have to build, genre by genre, track by track.

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTube

 RAYE – "WHERE IS MY HUSBAND!" 

 Nat King Cole – "Let There Be Love" 

 Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong – "Summertime" 

 RAYE (ft. 070 Shake ) – "Escapism." 

 RAYE – "Intro: Girl Under the Grey Cloud." 

 RAYE – "I Will Overcome." 

 Edith Piaf – "La Vie en Rose" 

 RAYE – "Nightingale Lane." 

 RAYE – "Fin." 

 RAYE – "The WhatsApp Shakespeare." 

 Mark Ronson & RAYE – "Suzanne" 

 RAYE – "I Hate The Way I Look Today." 

 RAYE – "Winter Woman." 

 Vivaldi – "The Four Seasons: Winter" 

 RAYE (ft. Hans Zimmer) – "Click Clack Symphony." 

 RAYE (ft. Al Green) – "Goodbye Henry." 

 Al Green – "Love and Happiness" 

 Aretha Franklin – "Rock Steady" 

 RAYE – "Skin & Bones." 

 Fred Wesley and The J.B.'s (ft. James Brown) – "Damn Right I Am Somebody" 

 RAYE – "Beware.. The South London Lover Boy." 

 The Supremes – "You Can't Hurry Love" 

 Iggy Pop – "Lust for Life" Jet – "Are You Gonna Be My Girl?" 

 Mark Ronson (ft. Amy Winehouse) – "Valerie" 

 Charles Albert Tindley – "I'll Overcome Someday" 

 Prince - “Purple Rain" 

 Beyoncé – "Love on Top" 

 RAYE (ft. Amma & Absolutely) – "Joy."

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RAYE’s maximalist masterpiece is the hope we need

On a recent podcast interview, Kentucky rapper Jack Harlow said that, to craft his new album Monica, he “got blacker.” The problem is… Jack Harlow is white. The statement, while extremely tone-deaf, speaks to his intentions with this musical pivot: musically, Monica turns to the historically Black genres of R&B and neo-soul to craft a new image designed to shed the stigma of being a “white rapper.” 

The pivot is more costume than culture, but in doing so, Harlow seems to be following in the footsteps of several white rappers over the past decade. Artists like Post Malone, MGK, and Jelly Roll have all had radical shifts in sound and image over their career, separating themselves from their roots in hip-hop. So, in response to Monica, Reanna and Charlie ask: where have all the white rappers gone? 

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTube

Songs discussed:

 Jack Harlow – First Class

 Jack Harlow – Lovin On Me

 Jack Harlow – Trade Places

 Post Malone, Hank Williams Jr. – Finer Things

 Jack Harlow – Tyler Herro

 Jack Harlow, Doja Cat – Just Us

 Jack Harlow – Lonesome

 J Dilla, Common, D’Angelo – So Far to Go

 D’Angelo – Spanish Joint

 D’Angelo – Feel Like Makin’ Love

 Jack Harlow – All Of My Friends

 Led Zeppelin - Babe I’m Gonna Leave You

 Paul Wall, Big Pokey – Sittin’ Sidewayz

 Beastie Boys – Fight For Your Right

 Post Malone – White Iverson

 Post Malone – Leave

 Post Malone, Morgan Wallen – I Had Some Help

 James Taylor – Machine Gun Kelly

 MGK – LOCO

 MGK, blackbear – my ex’s best friend

 5 Seconds of Summer – She Looks So Perfect

 MGK – cliche

 Jelly Roll – F*ck What They Talkin Bout (ft. O.N.E.) 

 Jelly Roll – Need A Favor

 Bubba Sparxxx – Deliverance

 Eminem – Cleanin’ Out My Closet

 Eminem – Without Me

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Where have all the white rappers gone?

Jacob Collier is a rare musician: an expert in so many musical languages (western harmony, negative harmony, microtonalism) and a phenomenal communicator about music. He's something like an Ambassador for Music, traveling the world and getting thousands of people, musicians and non-musicians alike, to sing in his audience choirs.

Live at On Air Fest, this conversation, catches Jacob between projects. Last year he released The Light for Days, a comparatively minimalist collection of songs written on his special five-string guitar, a quiet turn after the massive Djesse quadrilogy, which featured over 50 collaborators from Herbie Hancock to Anoushka Shankar and wove hundreds of thousands of audience choir voices into the recordings.

Given that Jacob is always improvising with the best collaborators, Charlie wanted one of his own own. Five minutes before the show, Charlie spotted Sam Sanders, co-host of Vibe Check and host of the Sam Sanders Show on KCRW, and asked him onstage. Sam's a musician and one of the great interviewers, and he showed how improvising in conversation is just as essential as it is in music.

Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠, ⁠⁠YouTube
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Jacob Collier can make anyone sing

The dance floor is where Harry Styles does his therapy, and this album is the session notes. Four years after Harry's House, Styles returns with Kiss All the Time, Disco Occasionally, a record built from minimal ingredients: live drums, Moog bass, nylon guitar, and synth sequences that stretch across entire songs without a drop in sight. This is Styles' anti-drop album. Where classic disco era dance celebrated collective joy, Styles uses the dance floor as a stage for self-examination.

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTubeSongs discussed:

 Harry Styles – "Aperture"

 Ice Spice – "In Ha Mood"

 PinkPantheress – "Boy's a Liar"

 Zara Larsson – "Midnight Sun"

 LCD Soundsystem – "Dance Yrself Clean"

 LCD Soundsystem – "Someone Great"

 LCD Soundsystem – "Oh Baby"

 Harry Styles – "Pop"

 Harry Styles – "Sign of the Times"

 David Bowie – "Space Oddity"

 Elton John – "Rocket Man"

 Harry Styles – "Dance No More"

 Chic – "Good Times"

 Stevie Nicks – "Edge of Seventeen"

 Simon & Garfunkel – "Keep the Customer Satisfied"

 Paul Simon – "You Can Call Me Al"

 Harry Styles – "Carla's Song"

 Paul Simon – "Kathy's Song"

 Simon & Garfunkel – "Bridge Over Troubled Water"

 Harry Styles – "Are You Listening Yet?"

 DJO – "Basic Being Basic"

 Harry Styles – "Season Two, Weight Loss"

 Sons of Kemet – "Play Mas"

 Harry Styles – "Coming Up Roses"

 Harry Styles – "American Girls"

 LCD Soundsystem – "American Scum"

 LCD Soundsystem – "Drunk Girls"

 Harry Styles – "As It Was"

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Harry Styles loses himself to dance

Bruno Mars is back with a new album called The Romantic, his first solo release since 2016’s 24k Magic. At first listen, the lead single, “I Just Might,” sounds like an outtake from 2021’s collaborative album with Anderson Paak, the Philly soul-inspired An Evening with Silk Sonic. Listen closer though and another element emerges: a fast-paced conga drum line.

The rest of Mars’s nine-track confection chases that Latin influence. This is not just another retread of 70s funk and soul. In fact, The Romantic makes the case that Mars is pop’s great counter-programmer, finding styles of the past that no one else has yet mined.

Charlie and Nate break down all the new territory covered by Mars, from Latin boleros to Cuban cha chas, Nuyorican boogaloo to a mariachi “My Way.” The results may not change your mind about Mars, but they might make you appreciate the finer points of what is sure to be an omnipresent new release. 

Links: ⁠Newsletter⁠, ⁠YouTube

Songs discussed:

 Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars - Die With A Smile

 ROSÉ, Bruno Mars - APT.

 Bruno Mars - Risk It All

 Eydie Gormé, Los Panchos - Sabor a Mí

 Frank Sinatra - My Way 

 Bruno Mars - Cha Cha Cha

 JUVENILE, Soulja Slim - Slow Motion

 Pete Rodriguez - I Like It Like That

 Cardi B, Bad Bunny, J Balvin - I Like It

 Young-Holt Unlimited - Soulful Strut

 Bruno Mars - I Just Might

 Redbone - Come and Get Your Love

 Leo Sayer - You Make Me Feel Like Dancing

 Junior Senior - Move Your Feet

 Bruno Mars - God Was Showing Off

 Billy Paul - Me and Mrs. Jones

 Bruno Mars - Why You Wanna Fight?

 Bruno Mars - On My Soul

 Curtis Mayfield - Move on Up

 Bruno Mars - Something Serious

 Willie Bobo - Evil Ways

 Santana - Evil Ways

 Santana - Oye Como Va

 Tito Puente - Oye Cómo Va

 Bruno Mars - Nothing Left

 Bruno Mars - Dance With Me

 Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You

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Can Bruno Mars counterprogram his way to another hit album?

Emerald Fennell's new adaptation of Emily Brontë's 1847 gothic romance "Wuthering Heights" is the most talked-about film of the year. But for pop lovers, the soundtrack is the real event: Charli xcx, asked to write one song, ended up recording an entire album for the movie while in the middle of the BRAT tour. 

If BRAT gave people permission to be messy on the dance floor, this score gives permission to be messy in your souls. But Charli isn't the first artist to channel "Wuthering Heights" into music. Line up her hyperpop strings and cavernous reverb against Kate Bush's winding harmonies, a Hollywood orchestral score from 1939, and Ryuichi Sakamoto's unsettled piano, and something surprising emerges: the most operatic, passionate, Wuthering Heights-obsessed recording of them all might belong to someone you'd never expect.Songs discussed:

 
Charli xcx “Everything is Romantic”

 
Charli xcx “Always Everywhere”

 
Charli xcx “House” (feat. John Cale)

 
Hans Zimmer “Inception score”

 
Charli xcx “Wall of Sound”

 
Ike & Tina Turner “River Deep, Mountain High”

 
Charli xcx “Chains of Love”

 
Charli xcx “Out of Myself”

 
Charli xcx “Funny Mouth” (co-written with Joe Curie)

 
Alfred Newman “Wuthering Heights score (1939)”

 
Ryuichi Sakamoto “Wuthering Heights score (1992)”

 
Kate Bush “Wuthering Heights”

 
Celine Dion “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now”

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Charli XCX’s "Wuthering Heights" fever dream

It's the middle of award season, and Ryan Coogler's ode to the Black music canon Sinners has emerged as the Oscars frontrunner and the most nominated film in Academy Awards history. The love the movie has for the Delta blues is front and center, and begs the question: will the movie's legacy help bring the blues back into popular culture? There's already been a precedent for films reviving dead genres – think The Sting and its ragtime score, or O Brother Where Art Thou's relationship to bluegrass – and on this episode of Switched On Pop, Reanna and Nate talk with Vulture writer Fran Hoepfner about the times in which movie soundtracks have shifted the musical culture. 

Read Fran's piece on movie scoring, The Death of the Classic Film Score, here.

Songs discussed:

 Miles Caton – I Lied to You

 Bee Gees – Stayin' Alive

 Underworld – Born Slippy (Nuxx)

 Marvin Hamlisch – The Entertainer

 Wu-Tang Clan – Fast Shadow

 Bee Gees – More Than A Woman

 Whitney Houston – I Have Nothing

 Harry McClintock – The Big Rock Candy Mountain

 Alison Krauss – Down To The River To Pray

 The Soggy Bottom Boys – I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow

 *NSYNC – Bye Bye Bye

 The Brian Setzer Orchestra – Jump Jive An' Wail

 Cab Calloway – Minnie the Moocher

 Royal Crown Revue – Hey Pachuco!

 Caravan Palace – Lone Digger

 Big Bad Voodoo Daddy – Go Daddy O

 Squirrel Nut Zippers – Hell

 Fergie, Q-Tip, GoonRock – A Little Party Never Killed Nobody

 Lana Del Rey – Young And Beautiful

 Max Richter – On the Nature of Daylight

 Kavinsky – Nightcall

 College, Electric Youth – A Real Hero

 M83 – Midnight City

 The Weeknd – Take My Breath

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Will Sinners do for blues what O Brother did for bluegrass?

A$AP Rocky’s latest album, Don’t Be Dumb, is a wild ride through a cacophony of sounds — punk, industrial, drum ‘n’ bass, indie rock, and of course, hip hop. But on one track, “Robbery,” he and the rising superstar Doechii sample the world of jazz, specifically Thelonious Monk’s 1955 cover of Duke Ellington’s “Caravan.” In the process, Rocky and Doechii don’t just loop and flow, they create a whole narrative of jazz age victors and villains inspired by the rhythms and harmonies of jazz greats. The result is a song, and album, that makes the case for why hip hop matters more than ever in 2026.

 A$AP Rocky – ROBBERY (feat. Doechii)

 A$AP Rocky – STOLE YA FLOW

 A$AP Rocky – ORDER OF PROTECTION

 A$AP Rocky – PLAYA

 A$AP Rocky – STFU (feat. Slay Squad)

 A$AP Rocky – AIR FORCE (BLACK DEMARCO)

 A$AP Rocky – THE END (feat. will.i.am & Jessica Pratt)

 Kendrick Lamar - For Free? - Interlude 

 Clairo - Sinking 

 Thelonious Monk - Caravan

 A$AP Rocky - L$D

 Lou Donaldson - Ode To Billie Joe 

 Thelonious Monk - Black And Tan Fantasy

 Wu-Tang Clan - Shame On a N**** 

 Duke Ellington, John Coltrane - My Little Brown Book 

 Ghostface Killah - Malcolm 

 Thundercat - Them Changes

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Jazz is A$AP Rocky’s secret weapon

On this very special episode, we join forces with the hilarious podcast OFF BOOK. When our powers combine, Zach and Jess of Off Book, plus their killer backing band of Scott, Dana and Brett create an improvised musical, while Nate and Charlie break down the sound and structure of a Broadway show. Stay tuned for deep thoughts about what separates pop music from musicals, wild speculation about the origin of the word “vamp,” and an ENTIRE FREAKING MUSICAL COMPOSED FROM SCRATCH that will make you laugh your face off. This is not one to miss.
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