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The Verge

The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.

The Vergecast

Now that we've had a few days to digest the Apple CEO succession news, Nilay and David get some help from Daring Fireball's John Gruber to discuss Tim Cook's legacy, the potential for change under John Ternus, and whether the Touch Bar actually could have been great. Then, Nilay and David react to some breaking news: Microsoft is going back to the Xbox. And everything is an Xbox now. Finally, in the lightning round, we have a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, a very 2026 new microphone, a BMW we can't figure out, and Meta's new AI training tool: its employees.

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Further reading:

 
Behold the cursed 2027 BMW 7 Series interior (via Car and Driver)

 
Tim Cook’s departure is the start of a new era at Apple 

 
Read Tim Cook’s letter to the Apple world as he departs as CEO 

 
Wearable health tech might be Tim Cook’s greatest legacy 

 
Who is Apple’s new CEO John Ternus? 

 
Tim Cook: “I am healthy. My energy is high, and I plan to be in this new role for a long time.” 

 
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate gets a price cut but loses new Call of Duty games 

 
Microsoft says the ‘idea’ of an Xbox mobile store ‘is not dead’ 

 
Call of Duty never made much sense for Xbox Game Pass 

 
We found Microsoft’s amicus brief about the Xbox mobile game store. 

 
Variety: Trump’s FCC Wants Input on Whether ‘Transgender and Gender Nonbinary’ TV Programming Is ‘Appropriate’ for Children

 
Anthropic’s most dangerous AI model just fell into the wrong hands 

 
Insta360 is putting screens on its next wireless mics to show logos or images 

 
Now Meta will track what employees do on their computers to train its AI agents

--EPISODE RUNDOWN--

(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:01:00 Tim Cook to step down as Apple CEO

00:50:00 Xbox rebrand

01:06:00 Brendan Carr is a Dummy

01:08:00 FCC targets "transgender and gender nonbinary" kids' TV

01:13:00 Mythos

01:21:00 BMW 7-Series' confusing interior

01:27:00 Insta360 mic with screen

01:30:00 Meta tracks employees
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AirPods, Touch Bars, and the rest of Tim Cook's legacy

We get a lot of questions about how we make The Vergecast. And why we make The Vergecast. And how we make money, and journalism, and everything. So every once in a while, we try to answer those questions! In this episode, David and Nilay are joined by The Verge's publisher, Helen Havlak, to talk about video podcasts, ads, subscriptions, Nilay's jackets, and much more.

Curious about those video podcasts we discussed? Check us out on YouTube. 

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Have more questions for us? We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11.

--EPISODE RUNDOWN--

(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:00:00 David's late night stroll

00:02:00 Today's Vergecast is about The Vergecast

00:03:00 New verge.com website just dropped

00:09:00 Following feature insights

00:13:00 Open Social Web plans

00:25:00 Verge audience demographics

00:31:00 Monetization

00:48:00 Audio vs. video podcasts

00:54:00 Supporting The Verge

01:00:00 Old Verge video style

01:07:00 Verge alumni

01:12:00 Why is it called Brendan Carr is a Dummy?

01:14:00 Nilay's jackets

01:21:00 How has gadget blogging changed?
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The Vergecast Vergecast, 2026 edition

For the first time in 15 years, Apple is getting a new CEO. Tim Cook is stepping down, and John Ternus is taking the biggest job at one of the biggest companies in the world. News this big can only mean one thing: emergency Vergecast! Nilay and David broke down the news, their immediate reactions, and what they think might be in store for Apple going forward.

To watch our livestreams as they stream live, check us out on YouTube. Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11.
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Apple’s got a new CEO: The Vergecast Livestream

The AI vibes continue to find all-time lows. David and Nilay open the show by talking through the absurd Allbirds pivot to AI, the attacks on Sam Altman, and the increasing divide between what AI companies say is inevitable and what people actually want. Then, the Hype Desk crew talks Coachella and RAMageddon, before David and Nilay catch up on the Live Nation-Ticketmaster monopoly suit and the increasing price of everything. In the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a dummy, satellite internet, brain-computer interfaces, and the Trump Phone.

Further reading:

 Allbirds announced a switch from shoes to AI and its stock jumped 600 percent 

 The Allbirds pivot to… meme stock? 

 The attacks on Sam Altman are a warning for the AI world 

 Sam Altman reportedly targeted in second attack 

 Altman attack suspect proposed “Luigi’ing some tech CEOs.” 

 Stanford’s AI study

 NYT: Half of Gen Z Uses AI, but Their Feelings Are Souring, Study Shows

 Reese Witherspoon on Threads on AI

 Ticketmaster is an illegal monopoly, jury finds 

 
A jury is about to decide the fate of Ticketmaster 

 Microsoft counters the MacBook Neo with freebies for students

 YouTube Premium is getting pricier 

 RAMageddon has come for Microsoft’s Surface Pro and Surface Laptop 

 Meta blames RAM shortage for $100 Quest 3 price hike

 FCC’s Brendan Carr again blasts deals between NFL and streaming services

 The FCC just saved Netgear from its router ban for no obvious reason 

 Netgear and the FCC have not responded to our emails. 

 Did Neuralink make the wrong bet?

 Apple and Amazon are teaming up to challenge Starlink’s smartphone ambitions 

 Point, Musk. 

 Amazon’s Starlink competitor now has an airplane antenna. 

 Amazon’s Starlink competitor Leo gets a new date 

 The new Trump Phone design is here 

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--EPISODE RUNDOWN--

(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:00:00 Allbirds Goes AI

00:06:00 From Shoes to Tech Hype

00:09:00 Altman Attacks and Backlash

00:13:00 Why AI Feels Threatening

00:18:00 Gen Z Polls and Trust Gap

00:29:00 Reese Witherspoon AI Pushback

00:35:00 Hype Desk Returns

00:36:00 RAM Apocalypse and Wikifeet

00:39:00 Coachella Livestream Era

00:43:00 Ticketmaster Monopoly Verdict

00:47:00 MacBook Neo Spurs Microsoft

00:49:00 OpenAI Clouds and Copilot Backlash

00:51:00 Windows vs Mac Value Shift

00:54:00 The Pricing Apocalypse Hits

00:55:00 Why YouTube Premium Costs More

01:02:00 Lightning Round

01:03:00 Brendan Carr is a Dummy

01:07:00 NFL Antitrust Exemption Fight

01:15:00 Amazon Buys Globalstar

01:22:00 FCC Router Ban Chaos

01:27:00 Trump Phone Gets Realer

01:31:00 Neuralink Bet

01:32:00 Wrap Up
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The 'AI is inevitable' trap

During the height of the cryptocurrency craze a few years ago, the actor Ben McKenzie found himself wondering why no one else was seeing what he was seeing. He joins the show to explain his yearslong attempt to understand Bitcoin and the crypto world, all of which is in his new documentary Everyone Is Lying to You For Money. (You can probably guess how he feels.) After that, The Verge's Victoria Song tells us about her testing of continuous glucose monitors, which have gone from medical device to influencer trend in some worrying ways. Finally, we answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about why all our gadgets seem the same these days.

Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology

Further reading:

 Everyone is Lying to You for Money

 
Low interest rates and loneliness: the origins of the pandemic crypto boom

 
Continuous glucose monitoring made me continuously crazy

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(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:00:00 Sprinkler Duty Intro

00:03:00 Ben McKenzie Crypto Journey

00:04:00 Is Crypto Really Money

00:09:00 El Salvador Reality Check

00:11:00 Could Crypto Ever Work

00:14:00 Crypto Culture

00:19:00 Casino Capitalism And Crime

00:23:00 Why Bitcoin Keeps Rising

00:30:00 CGMs Explained

00:32:00 FDA OTC And Wellness Boom

00:33:00 Government Push For Wearables

00:39:00 Longevity Wearables Boom

00:41:00 Why Try CGMs

00:44:00 Scary Readings Doctor Visit

00:47:00 Living in the Data

00:48:00 Apps Scores Calibration

00:51:00 Disordered Eating Spiral

00:54:00 No Consensus for Non Diabetics

00:57:00 Medication Tradeoffs

01:00:00 Wellness vs Medical Regulation

01:04:00 Using CGMs Thoughtfully

01:10:00 Vergecast hotline

01:11:00 Why Gadgets Got Bland

01:22:00 Final Thoughts
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Ben McKenzie vs. crypto

In a week filled with important news about important people, David and Nilay start the show with the biggest news of all: their silly tech projects. After some updates on iMac repurposing and vibe-coded productivity tools, the hosts turn to the state of OpenAI, and the big story from The New Yorker about whether we should trust CEO Sam Altman with the future of AI. After that, it's time for the lightning round, with the latest Brendan Carr is a Dummy shenanigans, and the New York Times' latest attempt to identify Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin. Is it, in fact, Adam Back? And does it even matter?

Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. ⁠https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology⁠

Further reading:

 ⁠First photos of solar eclipse from Artemis II crew look almost too good to be real ⁠

 ⁠Artemis II astronauts break a record, name a crater ⁠

 ⁠Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? | The New Yorker⁠

 ⁠The vibes are off at OpenAI ⁠

 ⁠Sam Altman is “unconstrained by truth.” ⁠

 ⁠OpenAI’s AGI boss is taking a leave of absence ⁠

 ⁠OpenAI made economic proposals — here’s what DC thinks of them⁠

 ⁠CNN Defends Authenticity Of Iranian “Victory” Statement After Donald Trump Posts Irate Claim It Was A “Fraud”⁠

 From The New York Times: ⁠Who Is Satoshi Nakamoto? My Quest to Unmask Bitcoin’s Creator⁠

 ⁠The latest Satoshi Nakamoto unmasking. ⁠

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Fear and loathing at OpenAI

Cookie banners — those pop-ups that appear on practically every webpage demanding you accept their tracking systems — are one of the most consistent low-grade annoyances of life online. But Kate Klonick, a professor and writer, argues they're actually much worse than that, and the only plausible solution is to get rid of them entirely. After that, The Verge's Allison Johnson tells us about her AI-enhanced Google Maps experience, and why the new Ask Maps feature has the potential to be both incredibly cool and incredibly creepy. Then, she helps David answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email ⁠vergecast@theverge.com⁠!) about whether E Ink phones might solve all our problems.

Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. ⁠https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology⁠

Further reading:

 ⁠Ban Cookie Banners: A Case Study in Tech Regulation by Kate Klonick⁠

 ⁠Kate’s website⁠

 ⁠Google Maps is getting AI-powered ‘Ask Maps’ feature and more immersive navigation ⁠

 ⁠I let Gemini in Google Maps plan my day and it went surprisingly well ⁠

 ⁠TCL’s new Nxtpaper phones have a dedicated button for maximum monochrome ⁠

 ⁠Boox Palma 2 Pro review: one step forward, one step back ⁠

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The case for banning cookie banners

We love a ranking here on The Vergecast, and it’s time for the hardest one yet: David and Nilay compare notes on the 50 best products Apple has ever made, and see how their answers stack up to the many, many voters on The Verge this week. Before that, though, it’s time for a bit of AI news — surprise, it’s enterprise software! — and the comeback of the Hype Desk. After all that, and after the rankings, we do a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, talk about the fediverse, and repurpose our old iMacs.

Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. ⁠https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology⁠

Further reading:

 ⁠OpenAI’s big numbers: $122 billion funding round, 900 million weekly ChatGPT users. ⁠

 ⁠Why OpenAI killed Sora ⁠

 ⁠I think Google is taking a couple digs at OpenAI about Sora. ⁠

 ⁠Apple’s third-party Siri Extensions could lead to an AI App Store. ⁠

 ⁠Microsoft’s new ‘superintelligence’ game plan is all about business⁠

 ⁠OpenAI acquires TBPN | OpenAI⁠

 ⁠Apple turns 50: celebrating five decades of the tech giant ⁠

 ⁠Everything is iPhone now ⁠

 ⁠Steve Jobs and the greatest run of products in tech history ⁠

 ⁠How the invention of QuickTime changed computers forever ⁠

 ⁠The triumphs and failures of Apple without Steve Jobs ⁠

 ⁠The Apple product that really changed the industry: the MacBook Air ⁠

 ⁠Apple at 50: a visual history ⁠

 ⁠The origin story of Apple’s long-running relationship with Foxconn ⁠

 ⁠Apple’s long, bitter App Store antitrust war ⁠

 ⁠Snazzy Labs' iMac - Studio Display Mod Guide⁠

 ⁠Flipboard Surf launches social websites combining Bluesky, Mastodon, RSS, and more⁠

 ⁠These Raspberry Pi price hikes are no joke ⁠

 ⁠Today is the final day to save up to $150 on a PS5 before the price goes up ⁠

 ⁠Sony temporarily suspends memory card sales due to shortages ⁠

 ⁠The White House has an app now, and Trump wants you to report people to ICE on it ⁠

 ⁠What’s inside the White House app? ⁠

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Apple's best product ever

It's Apple 50 week, so we've got an Apple-filled podcast. First, longtime Apple journalist Jason Snell joins the show to talk about the state of the company as a hardware maker, a software maker, a force for good in the world, and more. Then, blogger and entrepreneur Anil Dash explains why he's worried about the rise of video podcasts, and the role Apple could play to make it better. Finally, The Verge's Allison Johnson helps answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about swapping your phone for a watch. And a tablet. And some other things.

Further reading:

 Rank the 50 best Apple Products⁠

 ⁠Apple in 2025: The Six Colors report card⁠

 ⁠Apple turns 50: celebrating five decades of the tech giant⁠

 ⁠Apple II Forever!⁠

 “Wherever you get your podcasts” is a radical statement.

 Why Apple’s move to video could endanger podcasting's greatest power

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Apple at 50: the good and the bad

We start with some important business: Nilay has a flight to catch, and is very worried he won't catch it. Also, it's Apple's 50th anniversary next week, and we're going to spend the week debating which Apple products are the best Apple products. (Head to the ad-free Vergecast feed to hear our selection show!) But mostly, this episode is about social media. In two key trials this week, juries found social platforms liable not for the content they display but for the actual structure and features of the platform. That could change the way social media companies act, and how users fight back. After that, it's time for the silliness of the router ban, the latest in the chatbot wars, and an update on what's happening with Grammarly's Expert Voices feature.

Further reading:

 Rank your top 50 Apple products 

 Verge subscribers, here’s how to set up ad-free podcasts 

 The TSA is broken — is privatization next? 

 What is ICE actually doing at American airports? 

 Meta misled users about its products’ safety, jury decides 

 Meta and YouTube found negligent in landmark social media addiction case 

 Social media on trial: tech giants face lawsuits over addiction, safety, and mental health

 What it was like to watch grieving parents stare down Mark Zuckerberg in court 

 A bombshell child safety leak changed Meta — for the worse 

 Internal chats show how social media companies discussed teen engagement 

 2026 is the year of social media’s legal reckoning 

 The US government just banned consumer routers made outside the US 

 The United States router ban, explained

 FCC green-lights Nexstar's $6.2B merger with rival TV station owner Tegna

 Cox Communications not liable for pirated music, Supreme Court rules 

 Confronting the CEO of the AI company that impersonated me 

 North Carolina man pleads guilty to AI music streaming fraud. 

 Apple is testing a standalone app for its overhauled Siri 

 OpenAI is planning a desktop ‘superapp’ 

 This is Microsoft’s plan to fix Windows 11 

 OpenAI just gave up on Sora and its billion-dollar Disney deal

 The age of piracy ended with LimeWire | Version History

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Meta's court losses could be just the beginning

The Verge's Nilay Patel, Alex Cranz, and David Pierce discuss Google's algorithm leak, OpenAI content deals, and more tech news from this week.
Further reading:

Google won’t comment on a potentially massive leak of its search algorithm documentation

Google confirms the leaked Search documents are real

An Anonymous Source Shared Thousands of Leaked Google Search API Documents with Me; Everyone in SEO Should See Them

Secrets from the Algorithm: Google Search’s Internal Engineering Documentation Has Leaked

Unpacking Google's massive Search documentation leak

How SEO moves forward with the Google Content Warehouse API leak

Google responds to leak: Documentation lacks context

Vox Media and The Atlantic sign content deals with OpenAI

Google scrambles to manually remove weird AI answers in search 

Apple’s WWDC may include AI-generated emoji and an OpenAI partnership

OpenAI CEO Cements Control as He Secures Apple Deal

Custom GPTs open for free ChatGPT users

OpenAI has a new safety team — it’s run by Sam Altman

Why the OpenAI board fired Sam Altman 

Elon Musk’s xAI raises $6 billion to fund its race against ChatGPT and all the rest

New Galaxy Z Flip 6 and Galaxy Ring details have leaked, courtesy of the FCC

The Fitbit Ace LTE is like a Nintendo smartwatch for kids 

Discord’s turning the focus back to games with a new redesign

The business behind Unnecessary Inventions’ millions of followers

Welcome to Notepad, a newsletter on Microsoft’s era-defining bets by Tom Warren

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