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The Ringer

First came '60 Songs That Explain the '90s.' (We did that.) Then came '60 Songs That Explain the '90s: The 2000s.' (We're doing that now—and yes, that's the actual name.) But whether you want to jump back to the Clinton years or join us as we reboot our old iPods, you can find all of the collected works of Rob Harvilla below. Come back each Wednesday for a new episode.

60 Songs That Explain the '90s

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“A-Punk” — Vampire Weekend

This week, Rob explores the biblical complexities of brotherhood throughout popular song, and uses those musical examples to highlight this eternal dichotomy: Some days when you aren’t Abel, there is always Cain. This sentiment rings glaringly true as he dissects the career of Virginia brothers The Clipse and their massive 2002 hit ‘Grindin’’, arguably the Neptunes finest production moment. Later, Rob is joined by Ringer alum Shea Serrano to explain why Malice and Pusha T’s elegant street poetry transcends the simple ‘coke rap’ designation critics have hastily assigned to their legacy.

Host: Rob HarvillaGuest: Shea SerranoProducers: Chris Sutton, Olivia Crerie, and Justin Sayles
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"Grindin’"— The Clipse

In this week’s episode, Rob uses the blueprint he learned from all of his favorite rock band movies, like 'Dig!' and 'The Great Muppet Caper,' to better understand the self-proclaimed misunderstood band Wilco. He takes us through Jeff Tweedy’s journey, starting with Wilco’s predecessor Uncle Tupelo, which diverged from the marketable grunge movement of its time to make forthright folk music. Unsurprisingly, Tweedy continued not to write music for the masses and the labels, inadvertently making hits like “Heavy Metal Drummer.” Later, Rob is joined by Dylan Tupper Rupert, who explains how she discovered Wilco as a 12-year-old and how a band can make even the most childless of listeners feel like a dad (in the best way).

Host: Rob Harvilla

Guest: Dylan Tupper Rupert

Producers: Olivia Crerie, Chris Sutton, and Justin Sayles
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“Heavy Metal Drummer”—Wilco

This week, Rob shines a light on the many ways singer-songwriters have utilized the concept of the word ‘home’ to convey where the heart and the human spirit truly reside. These musings serve as a springboard for a thorough analysis of country superstar Miranda Lambert’s hit song from 2010 ‘The House That Built Me’, and the defiantly authentic discography that preceded it. He’s then joined by friend and culture writer Elamin Abdelmahmoud from CBC’s ‘The Commotion’ podcast to expound further on Lambert’s infectious Texas charm.

Host: Rob HarvillaGuest: Elamin AbdelmahmoudProducer: Chris Sutton, Olivia Crerie, and Justin Sayles
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"The House That Built Me"— Miranda Lambert

This week, Rob puts his pretensions about country music aside with a closer look at Tim McGraw’s simple but moving song, “Live Like You Were Dying,” that encourages even the most sarcastic of 20-something-year-olds to romanticize their life. He talks about his late father-in-law who shared the same zest for life as the song’s narrator, and he encourages all his listeners to go sky diving, rocky mountain climbing, and to share a song they love with someone they love.

Host: Rob Harvilla

Producers: Olivia Crerie, Chris Sutton, and Justin Sayles
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“Live Like You Were Dying”— Tim McGraw

Why would the best ever want to stop being the best? Rob tries to figure this out in this week's episode covering Outkast. He proves that Big Boi and André 3000 will always be better together by comparing the tag team effort in their hit song, “Ms. Jackson,” and their split album ‘Speakerboxxx/The Love Below’. Later, he is joined by ‘Last Song Standing’ hosts, Cole Cuchna and Charles Holmes, to discuss how Outkast has aged for newer rap listeners and to share their favorite Outkast album in their self-proclaimed old age.

Host: Rob Harvilla

Guests: Charles Holmes and Cole Cuchna

Producers: Olivia Crerie, Chris Sutton, and Justin Sayles
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“Ms. Jackson”— Outkast

Rob initiates this week’s show by waxing poetic on the mortality of his musical idols and the treasure trove of emotional tribute songs that proliferated after the tragic passing of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain. His insightful homage leads perfectly into a loving soliloquy on the chaotic beauty of the Red Hot Chili Peppers' catalog, particularly their gigantic hit from 2002, “Can’t Stop.” Rob is then joined by both members of English pop duo the Ting Tings, who not only share his infatuation with bassist Flea’s instrumental prowess but also cite the RHCP's unbridled artistic vision as a major influence on their music.

Host: Rob HarvillaGuests: Katie White and Jules De Martino of The Ting TingsProducers: Chris Sutton, Olivia Crerie, and Justin Sayles
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“Can’t Stop”—The Red Hot Chili Peppers

Rob contemplates the art of making an ironic cover song sincere as he enters the dark realm of the 2000s hit TV show, ‘American Idol’. He follows the inevitable success of Season 1 winner Kelly Clarkson, who proves with her impossible-to-sing hit song, “Since U Been Gone,” that she is more than just a pop princess. Later, he is joined by ‘Breakaway’ tour-goer and Clarkson connoisseur Jodi Walker to discuss Clarkson's vocal capabilities and what her discography did for 2000s TV culture.

Host: Rob Harvilla

Guest: Jodi Walker

Producers: Chris Sutton, Olivia Crerie, and Justin Sayles
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“Since U Been Gone”— Kelly Clarkson

This week, Rob examines the hallowed art of employing songs within the soundtrack of a crucial TV scene to emotionally manipulate the viewing audience. Along the way, he evokes classic moments from ‘General Hospital’ , 'ER', and ‘Scrubs’ before ultimately expounding on the highly effective use of the Fray’s “How to Save a Life” in ‘Grey’s Anatomy’ to tug on the proverbial heart strings. He’s then joined by The Ringer’s own Yasi Salek to shine a light on how the Fray’s hit song shaped her experiences while watching the dramatic events unfold at the fictional Seattle Grace Hospital.

Host: Rob HarvillaGuest: Yasi SalekProducers: Chris Sutton, Jonathan Kermah, Olivia Crerie, and Justin Sayles
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“How to Save a Life”—The Fray

This week, we’re breaking down the Nas vs. Jay-Z feud, and Rob has to argue, which makes him deeply uncomfortable. After he breaks down the basic contents of a diss track, he is joined by The Ringer’s Joel Anderson to discuss the history of rap beef and his thoughts on Nas’s career after 'Illmatic.'

Host: Rob Harvilla

Guest: Joel Anderson

Producers: Bobby Wagner, Jonathan Kermah, and Justin Sayles

Additional Production Support: Olivia Crerie
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“Ether”—Nas

Rob explores what happens when you make music your everything. Through the lens of Counting Crows lead singer Adam Duritz, Rob breaks down the band’s ballad “A Long December” before The Ringer’s Bill Simmons joins to contemplate Adam’s struggle to prioritize happiness.
This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music.
Host: Rob Harvilla
Guest: Bill Simmons 
Producer: Justin Sayles
Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo
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“A Long December”—Counting Crows

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