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Daniel Thorson

A podcast based inquiry into the next phase of the human experiment.

Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next

Robert Kegan is a psychologist who teaches, researches, writes, and consults about adult development, adult learning, and professional development. His work explores the possibility and necessity of ongoing psychological transformation in adulthood. He is perhaps most well known as the author of The Evolving Self, In Over Our Heads: The Mental Demands of Modern Life, and An Everyone Culture. 

In this conversation we talk about:

What is a good definition of an 'adult'?

The phasic vision of adult development

The variety of developmental logics in the human mind

A tour of the 5 stages of adult development

What people get wrong about his 5 Stage model of human development

Why you are almost certainly not ‘Stage 5’ if you're under the age of 40

The gap between philosophical understanding and developmental attainments

Why you might take on a Stage 5 philosophical orientation from the Stage 4 developmental level (and what that might look like)

The most important developmental stage transition for the majority of humans

What transcending the limits of the socialized mind means for our planetary culture

The Monastic Academy Awakened Leadership Bootcamp

Robert Kegan - The Five Stages of Adult Development (And Why You Probably Aren't Stage 5)

After a long career using many therapeutic modalities, for more than a decade, Bob Falconer has devoted his practice exclusively to Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy. Bob has completed all levels of IFS training and continues to study with many of the senior IFS trainers. He co-authored the book Many Minds, One Self with IFS founder Richard Schwartz and has helped to train more than a thousand people in IFS. 

For the past several years, Bob has been devoted to completing the extensive research and writing of his new book, The Others Within Us, which deals with “unattached burdens,” “guides” and what has sometimes traditionally been referred to as spirit possession.

In this episode, Daniel and Bob discuss Bob’s personal trauma and the historical fight for the cultural and professional recognition of abuse, trauma and PTSD. They then delve into the history of psychotherapy and its connections to capitalism and colonialism and Bob’s perspectives on Internal Family Systems (IFS). While exploring the major themes of Bob’s book, they discuss the porous nature of mind, differing cultural models of mind, psychosis and spirit possession, Bob’s personal experiences with “the others within us,” the imaginal realm, and how Western psychology might shift from a “mono-mind” perspective to a “porous mind” one in the future.

Timestamps

 • 03:39 Intro

 • 05:29 Bob’s Abusive Upbringing and Early Spiritual Experiences

 • 11:07 How Internal Family Systems Has Helped Bob Become a “Man of Joy”

 • 13:37 The History and Evolution of Modern Cultural Conceptions of Abuse, Trauma and Mind

 • 21:03 Competition, Capitalism and Colonialism in Psychotherapy

 • 23:42 Internal Family Systems and Multiplicity of Mind

 • 28:43 Bob’s Book and His Perspectives on The Porous Nature of Mind

 • 31:48 “Something Foreign In My Mind”: The Client Who Changed Bob’s Perspective

 • 39:09 “The Others Within Us”: The Core Claim of Bob’s Book

 • 45:36 Generational Trauma and Different Cultural Approaches to “The Others Within Us”

 • 49:19 How Forces Not Clearly Linked To Our Personal History Might Get Into Us

 • 52:53 Limitations of the Western Conception of Mind and Differing Cultural Interpretations of “Psychosis”

 • 57:39 Possible Portals To A More Widespread Recognition of The Porosity of Mind

 • 1:00:05 Navigating The Imaginal Realm

 • 1:03:51 How Coaches and Practitioners Can Make Space for Porosity of Mind and The Others Within Us

 • 1:09:20 Closing

The Others Within Us

Bob Falconer - Internal Family Systems and Spirit Possession

After more than a decade of exploring what's emerging at the edges of culture and consciousness, it feels clear that we've crossed some kind of threshold - we're no longer in a time of gathering ideas, but of coming into deeper intimacy and action. 

Thank you for accompanying me on this journey of inquiry. While Emerge is complete, I'm continuing to write and explore these threads through The Intimate Mirror on Substack, and I pray we find our way through these precarious times together.

My Substack: https://intimatemirror.substack.com/

My Coaching Work: http://www.dthorson.com

The Final Episode of Emerge

The first guest on Emerge is author, philosopher and activist David Loy. David and I first met at the Occupy Boulder General Assembly and our relationship grew from there. David work sits at the intersection of contemplative wisdom and social justice, making him a perfect first guest for Emerge.

In this episode we discuss the ways stories limit and liberate us, the symptoms of living in a world between stories, the nature of the (7+ billion) new stories, the difficulty of acting in integrity with what you know is true, and how to find the meaning of your life.

Enjoy!

NOTE: Please forgive the strange audio glitches in the interview. The content of this interview is still awesome. :)

Emerge 001: David Loy "A World Between Stories"

This episode's guest is Chris Dancy. Chris has been called “the most connected human on earth” and has been featured on Fox News, NPR, BBC, TechCrunch, Mashable, and Wired, among others. He is a contemplative platform designer, artist, philosopher and writer.

We talked about what it takes to design technology that promotes human well-being, the nature and cause of distraction and loneliness, the changing landscape of work, and how to survive a systemic collapse, without hoarding bullets.

Emerge 002: Chris Dancy "Smartphone Loneliness"

Today we have on the show Scott Santens. Scott is a writer and advocate of what’s known as a basic guaranteed income. In this episode we go over the basics of basic income as well as some of the philosophical and cultural questions that arise when considering such a radical policy. 

Enjoy!

Emerge 003: Scott Santen "Basic Income"

Taylor Pearson joins me for this episode of Emerge. Taylor is an entrepreneur and author of the book ‘The End of Jobs’, an account of the changing nature of our economy and how to re-imagine your relationship to work for more freedom, meaning and wealth.

In this show we talk about what jobs are and why they’re ending, the evolution of work, the power of negative visualization, and why now is the best time in human history to make the jump into entrepreneurship.

Emerge 004: Taylor Pearson "The End of Jobs"

In this episode of emerge I speak with Christina Bowen. Christina is a knowledge ecologist working on such topics as collective intelligence, global warming, and systems theory. In this conversation we talk about the relationship between trust and collective intelligence, how to solve wicked problems , and the nature of self-organization. Please enjoy this conversation with knowledge ecologist Christina Bowen!

Emerge 005: "Trust And Self-Organizing Systems" Christina Bowen

On this Episode of Emerge I speak with Alison Cohen. Alison works as an instructional coach for public high school teachers and as a mindfulness educator for schools and social service organizations. Alison focuses on the interconnections between mindfulness and bias awareness and reduction.

In this episode we speak about how mindfulness can disrupt the school to prison pipeline, the subtleties of implicit bias and cultural conditioning, and the nature of embodied racism. Enjoy the show!

Emerge 007: "The Smog Of Racism" Alison Cohen

On this episode of Emerge, I speak with Tiago Forte. Tiago is the founder of Forte Labs, a productivity training and consulting firm in the bay area. He specializes in helping organizations and individuals adopt an approach to productivity that is both systematic and human centered.

In this conversation, we speak about using design thinking for individual improvement and empowerment, how to harness chaos and emergence for personal creativity, and the changing nature of knowledge work. Enjoy the show!

Emerge 008: "Emergent Creativity" Tiago Forte

John Vervaeke speaks with Seishin and myself about the ecology of practices we are exploring in the Willow Intensive. This was originally recorded on The Stoa.

This episode includes a brief overview of the Harmony model and the five aspects we've been training to harmonize. We discuss the obstacles and opportunities of birthing a new kind of wisdom institution in the modern world, and the necessity of having an ecology of practices to adequately transform the human mind during a time of planetary crisis (and much more). The conversation ends with a Q&A.

We are offering two online courses for those who would like to explore these practices more deeply:

October 19 - November 9 at 11:30 a.m. ET: Intro to Harmonization: A New Ecology of Practices

Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/intro-to-harmonization-a-new-ecology-of-practices-tickets-182786668847

October 22 - November 12 at 6:00 p.m. ET: Jade Method Meditation Course

Register: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/jade-method-meditation-course-tickets-182814672607

Harmonizing to Emerge with John Vervaeke

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