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Thomas Ptacek

Deirdre Connolly

David Adrian

Some cryptography & security people talk about security, cryptography, and whatever else is happening.

Security Cryptography Whatever

The International Association of Cryptologic Research held their regular election using secure voting software called Helios…and lost the keys to decrypt the results, leaving them with no choice but to throw out the vote and call a new election. Hilarity ensues. We welcome special guest Matt Bernhard who actually works on secure voting systems to explain which bits are homomorphically additive or not.

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euw_yqAQFI8

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/12/30/iacr-helios

Links:

- NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/21/world/cryptography-group-lost-election-results.html
- IACR Memo: https://www.iacr.org/news/item/27138
- https://www.iacr.org/elections/
- https://vote.heliosvoting.org/faq
- https://github.com/Election-Tech-Initiative/electionguard
- https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec08/tech/full_papers/adida/adida.pdf
- https://www.iacr.org/elections/eVoting/about-helios.html
- https://www.iacr.org/elections/eVoting/
- https://crypto.ethz.ch/publications/files/CrGeSc97b.pdf
- https://electionguard.vote/
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/1901
- https://freeandfair.us/blog/open-free-election-technology/
- https://www.starvoting.org/
- https://mbernhard.com/

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

The IACR Can't Decrypt with Matt Bernhard

Apple announced its new suite of memory security improvements from the top of the stack all the way to the bottom, so we dug through what they did and how they did it (performantly). 

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FJwOI2PliU

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/10/31/apple-mie

Links:

- https://security.apple.com/blog/memory-integrity-enforcement/
- Secure Page Table Monitor and Trusted Execution Monitor: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/operating-system-integrity-sec8b776536b/1/web/1#secd022396fb
- https://security.apple.com/blog/towards-the-next-generation-of-xnu-memory-safety/
- https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/adopting-type-aware-memory-allocation
- https://security.apple.com/blog/what-if-we-had-sockpuppet-in-ios16/
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2510.09272
- https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2023/11/first-handset-with-mte-on-market.html
- https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/adopting-type-aware-memory-allocation
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2510.09272
- https://spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Apple’s Memory Integrity Enforcement

There was a bug in an OpenPGP library which finally gave us an excuse to tear encrypted email via PGP to shreds. Our special guest William Woodruff joined us to help explain the vuln and indulge our gnashing of teeth on why email was never meant to be encrypted and how other modern tools do the job much, much better.

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoL3LfIozJo

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/08/22/stop-using-encrypted-email-with-william-woodruff

Links:

- William Woodruff: https://yossarian.net/
- https://www.latacora.com/blog/2020/02/19/stop-using-encrypted/
- https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880
- https://codeanlabs.com/blog/research/cve-2025-47934-spoofing-openpgp-js-signatures/
- https://www.mailpile.is/blog/2014-10-07_Some_Thoughts_on_GnuPG.html
- https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9580.html
- https://www.tumblr.com/accidentallyquadratic
- https://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-core/
- https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013790259-Using-Your-YubiKey-with-OpenPGP
- https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9580.html#name-signature-packet-type-id-2
- https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9580.html#name-key-derivation-function
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/MIME
- https://delta.chat
- https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
- https://phakeobj.netlify.app/posts/gigacage/
- https://x.com/dakami

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"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Stop Using Encrypted Email with William Woodruff

We chat with friend of the pod and special guest Alex Gaynor, former deputy chief technologist at the FTC and all around good Security Person™. Join for nerdery about WebAuthn, stay for accidentally melting down GitHub APIs around November 2020! 

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBoGvyvsSi4

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/08/16/alex-gaynor

Links:

- https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-take-only-throw
- https://alexgaynor.net/2025/jan/13/challenges-funding-open-source/
- https://alexgaynor.net/2025/apr/08/putting-a-price-tag-on-open-source/
- https://dadrian.io/blog/posts/corporate-support-xz/
- https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html
- https://github.com/alex/nyt-2020-election-scraper

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Alex Gaynor

We’re throwing a party in Vegas! Someone called it SCWPodCon last year, and the name stuck. It’s sponsored by Teleport, the infrastructure identity company. Get SSO for SSH! If Thomas was here, I’m sure he’d tell you that Fly.io uses Teleport internally. Oh also there's some thing called Black..pill? Black Pool? Something like that happening in Vegas, with crypto talks, so we chatted about them a bit, plus some other stuff

SCWPodCon 2025: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/events/blackhat

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/07/29/vegas-baby/

Links:

- Fault Injection attacks on PQCS signatures: https://www.blackhat.com/us-25/briefings/schedule/index.html#bypassing-pqc-signature-verification-with-fault-injection-dilithium-xmss-sphincs-46362
- Another attack on TETRA: https://www.blackhat.com/us-25/briefings/schedule/index.html#2-cops-2-broadcasting-tetra-end-to-end-under-scrutiny-46143
- Attacks on SCADA / ICS protocols (OPC UA): https://www.blackhat.com/us-25/briefings/schedule/index.html#no-vpn-needed-cryptographic-attacks-against-the-opc-ua-protocol-44760
- Attacks on Nostr: https://www.blackhat.com/us-25/briefings/schedule/index.html#not-sealed-practical-attacks-on-nostr-a-decentralized-censorship-resistant-protocol-45726
- https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr
- https://eurosp2025.ieee-security.org/program.html
- https://cispa.de/en/research/publications/84648-attacking-and-fixing-the-android-protected-confirmation-protocol
- https://hal.science/hal-05038009v2/file/main.pdf
- 8-bit, abacus, and a dog: https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/1237.pdf
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlsa9EBKDGI
- https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-scientists-figure-out-how-to-prove-lies-20250709/
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/118

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Vegas, Baby!

It seems like everyone that tries to deploy end-to-end encrypted cloud
storage seems to mess it up, often in new and creative ways. Our special
guests Matilda Backendal, Jonas Hofmann, and Kien Tuong Truong give us a tour through the breakage and discuss a new formal model of how to actually build a secure E2EE storage system.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/sizLiK_byCw

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/05/19/e2ee-storage/

Links:

- https://brokencloudstorage.info

- https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/1616.pdf

- https://www.sync.com

- https://www.pcloud.com

- https://icedrive.net

- https://seafile.com

- https://tresorit.com

- https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/989.pdf

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

E2EE Storage Done Right with Matilda Backendal Jonas Hofmann and Kien Tuong Truong

Migrating the US government to quantum-resistant cryptography is hard, luckily the gamer presidents are on it. This episode is extremely not safe for work, nor does it reflect the political opinions of, well, anybody.

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Picking Quantum Resistant Algorithms

Apple has pulled the availability of their opt-in iCloud end-to-end encryption feature, called Advanced Data Protection, in the UK. This doesn't only affect UK Apple users, however. 

To help us make sense of this surprising move from the fruit company, we got Matt Green, Associate Professor at Johns Hopkins, and Joe Hall, Distinguished Technologist at the Internet Society, on the horn. 

Recorded Saturday February 22nd, 2025.

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/02/24/apple-pulls-adp-in-uk/

Watch episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LAn_yOGUkR0

Links:

- https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/apples-cloud-key-vault-and-secure-law-enforcement-access
- https://www.androidcentral.com/how-googles-backup-encryption-works-good-bad-and-ugly
- https://gdpr.eu/right-to-be-forgotten/
- https://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/2024/9
- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon
- Salt Typhoon: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/strengthening-americas-resilience-against-prc-cyber-threats
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-21/apple-removes-end-to-end-encryption-feature-from-uk-after-backdoor-order
- https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Apple Pulls Advanced Data Protection in the UK with Matt Green and Joe Hall

'Let us model our large language model as a hash function—' 

Sold.

Our special guest Nicholas Carlini joins us to discuss differential cryptanalysis on LLMs and other attacks, just as the ones that made OpenAI turn off some features, hehehehe.

Watch episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/vZ64xPI2Rc0

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/01/28/cryptanalyzing-llms-with-nicholas-carlini/

Links:

- https://nicholas.carlini.com
- “Stealing Part of a Production Language Model”: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.06634
- ‘Why I attack"’: https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2024/why-i-attack.html
- “Cryptanalytic Extraction of Neural Network Models”, CRYPTO 2020: https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.04884
- “Stochastic Parrots”: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922
- https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5247780-using-logit-bias-to-alter-token-probability-with-the-openai-api
- https://community.openai.com/t/temperature-top-p-and-top-k-for-chatbot-responses/295542
- https://opensource.org/license/mit
- https://github.com/madler/zlib
- https://ai.meta.com/blog/yann-lecun-ai-model-i-jepa/
- https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2024/how-i-use-ai.html

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Cryptanalyzing LLMs with Nicholas Carlini

Just a few days before turning off the lights, the Biden administration dropped a huge cybersecurity executive order including a lot of good stuff, that hopefully [cross your fingers, knock wood, spin around three times and spit] will last into future administrations. We snagged some time with Carole House, outgoing Special Advisor and Acting Senior Director for Cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure Policy, National Security Council in the Biden-Harris White House, to give us a brain dump.

And now due to popular demand, with video of our actual human¹ faces! https://youtu.be/Pqw0W2crQiM

Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2025/01/20/bidens-cyber-everything-bagel-carole-house/

Links:
- https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2025-01470
- https://www.wired.com/story/biden-executive-order-cybersecurity-ai-and-more/
- 2022 EO: https://archive.ph/hvzWd
- 2023 EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/M-23-16-Update-to-M-22-18-Enhancing-Software-Security-1.pdf
- 2021 EO: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/05/17/2021-10460/improving-the-nations-cybersecurity
- NIST SSDF: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-218.pdf
- https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2015/04/02/2015-07788/blocking-the-property-of-certain-persons-engaging-in-significant-malicious-cyber-enabled-activities
- IEEPA: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2023-title50/pdf/USCODE-2023-title50-chap35-sec1701.pdf

¹ Actual human faces not guaranteed in all cases

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Biden’s Cyber-Everything Bagel with Carole House

Messaging Layer Security (MLS) 1.0 is (basically) here! We invited Raphael
Robert, coauthor of the MLS specification to explain it to us and answer our annoying questions (read: why does this exist?)

Transcript:
https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/04/22/mls/

Links:
- https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/
- https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html
- https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-architecture/draft-ietf-mls-architecture.html
- https://github.com/openmls/openmls
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/1533.pdf
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1327.pdf
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/559.pdf
- https://signal.org/docs/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_encapsulation_mechanism
- https://twitter.com/beurdouche/status/1220617962182389760
- https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html#mls-ciphersuites
- https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mls-federation-02.html
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/documents/
- https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/dma/dma-workshops/interoperability-workshop_en
- Yes in the protocol document this is 1.0: https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html#section-6

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

Messaging Layer Security (MLS) with Raphael Robert

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