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Rich Roll

A master-class in personal and professional development, ultra-athlete, wellness evangelist and bestselling author Rich Roll delves deep with the world's brightest and most thought provoking thought leaders to educate, inspire and empower you to unleash your best, most authentic self. More at: https://richroll.com

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Let's talk about talking to someone.
Personally, I've been in and out of therapy for more than two decades. Over the last couple years, I've been deeply immersed in a weekly therapist-led men's group — intimate game-changing sessions that have helped me work through deep-seated stuff that lives and breathes beyond 12-step.
We're only as sick as our secrets. The path to healing and personal growth requires openly sharing our hidden struggles. Bearing our vulnerabilities. And allowing others to identify the blind spots that elude us.
My point is that we all need help. And as today's guest will openly admit, even therapists benefit from therapy.
A Los Angeles-based psychotherapist, journalist and author, Lori Gottlieb writes the weekly ‘Dear Therapist’ column for The Atlantic. She contributes to several prominent publications including The New York Times. And she recurs as a mental health expert on a variety of national television and radio outlets including, The Today Show, Good Morning America, The CBS Early Show, Dr. Phil, CNN, and NPR’s ‘Fresh Air.'
In addition, Lori is the author of three books: Marry Him,Stick Figure and her latest, Maybe You Should Talk to Someone, a fun and highly relatable romp behind the scenes of a therapist’s world. What it’s like to be a therapist. And what it’s like to be a therapist in therapy.
A hit that spent many weeks on The New York Times bestseller list, the book was listed as People magazine’s ‘Book of the Week.' O magazine named it one of the ‘Best Nonfiction Books of 2019.' And it's currently being developed into a TV series with Eva Longoria.

This is a conversation about what happens when a therapist — someone specifically trained to understand what makes people do what they do — experiences her own personal crisis.
But it’s also a broader conversation about mental well-being in general. About the benefits of therapy. And why we can all better ourselves by talking to a professional.
In addition, we discuss the psychological impact of comparing ourselves to others. Healthy and unhealthy parenting practices. Repairing ruptured relationships. And many other topics.
I should note that I did my very best to resist making this a personal therapy session (not easy!).
As a final thought: if you are struggling in the darkness, don't wait to talk to someone. If you're afraid to shed light on that thing — whether it be anger, shame, addiction, resentment, depression, anxiety, or suicidal thoughts — don't wait to talk to someone. Don't wait until it's a crisis. Find the courage. Reach out. raise your hand. Help awaits you.
You can watch our entire conversation on YouTube.
Enjoy!
Rich

Lori Gottlieb: Stories From A Therapist In Therapy

What happens when you have two very big but different dreams vying for your focus? Do you choose one? Or do you risk it all to pursue both?
This was the dilemma faced by today’s guest—a woman who knows a thing or two about what it takes to execute at the highest level.
Meet Alexi Pappas—Olympic athlete. Award-winning writer. Filmmaker. And so much more.
An extraordinary runner, Alexi set the Greek national record in the 10,000-meters and competed for Greece at the 2016 Olympic Games. An equally noteworthy artist, her words have graced the pages of The New York Times, Runner’s World, Women’s Running Magazine, Sports Illustrated, The Atlantic, and Outside.
Not enough? In the exact same year she competed in the Olympics, she also co-wrote, co-directed, and starred alongside Rachel Dratch in Tracktown, her first feature film. Executing on just one of these goals is an exceptional accomplishment. Doing both in parallel is downright superhuman.
More recently, Alexi co-wrote and starred alongside Nick Kroll in Olympic Dreams, the first non-documentary-style movie to ever be filmed at the actual Olympic Games.
Profiled in every major publication from Sports Illustrated to Rolling Stone, my interest was recently piqued by an amazing New York Times OpDoc (produced by friend of the pod Lindsay Crouse), which poignantly portrays the emotional toll of chasing an Olympic dream.
In her excellent new memoir Bravey, Alexi dives deeper. An exuberant and unflinching primer on the struggle of self-actualization, it’s the beautiful story of surviving trauma and navigating disparate dreams—filmmaking and athletics—in competition for her attention. Why she refused to pick just one lane. And how, setbacks and deep lows aside, Alexi ultimately succeeds at both.
How is possible that this human is so good at so many things simultaneously? And what is the cost (if any) of setting the bar so high?
I needed to know more.
This is a conversation about the courage required to blaze your own path. It’s about self-belief. And it’s about setting audacious goals and how to work towards them.
It’s also about depression, loss and sacrifice.
It’s about the intersection of athletics and art. And how to prioritize synergy over balance.
But more than anything, this is about what Alexi calls being bravey.
In Alexi’s case, trauma helped fuel her success. But it was in healing that trauma that she learned to thrive—and find the joy in the journey.
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This one’s for all the Braveys and soon-to-become Braveys seeking to replace can’t with maybe.
Alexi is my new favorite person. Tune in and discover why.
Peace + Plants,
Rich

Alexi Pappas Is Bravey

Reaching your athletic peak is a laudable goal. But ambition extracts a physical and mental cost. How do you break free from cycles of burnout and injury and fall in love with running again? Today we cover this topic and more with legends Christopher McDougall + Eric Orton.

In this conversation we dive deep into the world and stories of Christopher's book Born to Run, as well as talk with Christopher's running coach, Eric Orton, about the practical – naturalistic – running drills, principles, practices and philosophy to become bulletproof to injury – and set you up for a lifelong love affair with running.

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Born To Run Free (For a Lifetime) with Christopher McDougall + Eric Orton

Dr. Charan Ranganath is a prominent neuroscientist, a professor at UC Davis, and the author of the influential book “Why We Remember.” 

This conversation explores the profound intersection of neuroscience and human experience. Charan reveals that our most resonant memories resemble paintings more than photographs, continuously reshaped by the present moment. We discuss the role of memory in identity, survival, and healing, as well as its implications in our digital age. 

During our exchange, I gained insight into why my cherished memories might be less reliable than I had previously believed. 

Charan is an impressive yet approachable voice in memory science. This exploration might make you question your narrative. Enjoy!

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The Neuroscience Of Memory: Deja Vu, Photographic Memory, Improving Cognition & Why We Remember With Charan Ranganath, PhD

Josh Szeps is a renowned broadcaster, host of Uncomfortable Conversations, and a former voice of Australia’s public radio who brings discernment to our most difficult dialogues.

This conversation explores why genuine dialogue matters in an age of tribal certainties. We discuss the derangement of our information landscape, the erosion of shared truth, and how to navigate today’s most contentious issues with grace and humor.

Josh is a rare voice who can untangle complex issues without amplifying division. Our exchange is both timely and necessary. Enjoy!

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An Uncomfortable Conversation With Josh Szeps: Media Silos, Disagreeing With Grace, Protecting Liberal Democracy, & What The 2024 Election Was Really About

Harley Finkelstein is Shopify’s President and an entrepreneur who started his first company at 13.

This conversation explores the intersection of commerce and personal growth through Harley’s iconoclastic lens. We discuss democratizing entrepreneurship, the role of anxiety as fuel for achievement, and why this might be the most generative moment in history to start a business.

Harley challenges my self-perception as an entrepreneur, forcing me to untether from limiting beliefs about what it means to build something meaningful.

Sharp, vulnerable, and endlessly optimistic—this exchange offers a fresh take on modern entrepreneurship. Enjoy!

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Entrepreneurship Is A Mindset: Shopify President Harley Finkelstein On Why Failure Is The Path To Success

Dr. Rangan Chatterjee is a renowned physician, one of Britain’s most influential medical voices, and author of the new book, “Make Change That Lasts.”

This conversation explores the intersection of neuroscience and human potential as it introduces his groundbreaking concept of “minimal reliance.” Dr. Chatterjee deconstructs why we remain tethered to patterns that no longer serve us, while offering actionable tools for lasting change.

Don’t miss this conversation—it might transform your thoughts about personal evolution. 

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Make Change That Lasts: Break Free From Bad Habits & Transform Your Life For Good With Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

We are here to grow. We are here to transform. This is our birthright. This is our purpose.
 
As the year ends, I want to honor this truth by sharing insights from some of the most remarkable voices who joined us in 2024. In this first of our two-part Best Of series, we revisit conversations that challenged and inspired us to reach higher.
 
From stories of survival and rebirth, to breakthroughs in longevity science and brain health, to raw conversations about athletics and consciousness—each guest illuminated different paths to living authentically and purposefully.
 
I’m deeply grateful to our guests for their candor, to my team for their dedication, and to our sponsors for their continued support.
 
But most of all, I’m grateful for you, the listener. Your presence and engagement make this journey worthwhile. I never take that for granted.
 
Thank you for growing with us. Here’s to an extraordinary 2025.

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The Best Of 2024: Part One

In this concluding chapter of our “Best Of” 2024 series, we share wisdom from an extraordinary group of changemakers who challenged our assumptions and expanded our possibilities.
 
From a septuagenarian fitness icon to Spider-Man himself, from free solo climbers to modern mystics—each guest illuminated different facets of human potential. Their stories of courage, creativity, and conscious living remind us that transformation is always possible.
 
I’m deeply grateful to our guests for their vulnerability, to my team for their dedication, and to our sponsors for their continued support.
 
But most of all, I’m grateful for you, the listener. Your willingness to grow and transform alongside us makes this journey meaningful.
 
Thank you for sharing another remarkable year. Here’s to an extraordinary 2025.

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The Best Of 2024: Part Two

Mark Manson is a renowned author and cultural critic, known for “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck”—a global phenomenon that has remained on the NYT bestseller list for an unprecedented 328 weeks.
 
This conversation explores the paradox between genuine growth and modern self-help culture. We discuss Mark’s dramatic transformation, his contrarian views on personal development, why being intelligent often hinders change, and how the most effective solutions in life are typically the boring ones no one wants to hear about.
 
In today’s metrics-driven landscape, he reveals how to navigate content creation with integrity.
 
Mark is endlessly insightful. This one is profound and irreverently fun. Enjoy!

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The (Not So) Subtle Art Of Mark Manson: The Truth About Self-Help, Transformation, & Life Advice That Doesn’t Suck

Welcome to Part 2 of our second annual Best of the RRP Anthology series. If you haven't already, I suggest listening to The Best of 2014 Part 1 first.
Once again, this is a compendium of some of my favorite conversations of 2014. Our way of saying thanks. Our way of giving back. Our way of trying to catapult you into the new year armed with the information and inspiration required to make it your best year yet.
Once again, it's worth reflecting upon the incredible year that was 2014. My blessings are many. My gratitude is overflowing. This is my way way of saying thank you. I appreciate you. Here's to an extraordinary 2015 — the year we manifest our greatest dreams into reality. Join me, and let's do this thing together.
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The Best of 2014 (Part 2)

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